=PasionCatechist;4830253]Hi, to all and Good Day. I am posting this thread question in hopes of gaining a deeper understanding of marian theology.
OK, allow me to attempt to assist.In order to do so one MUST accept what Jesus says! 2 Tim. 3: “16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.”
1.)God has no mother.Mary was the mother of Jesus and should be honored, but the Catholic church takes it to far…to the point it seems they view and treat Mary like a God and put her on the same level as God.
Friend you have an impropper and incomplete understanding. Please read on.
2.) There is no scriptural basis for Mary accending into heaven or being sinless.etc
Luke 1:**"26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God **to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, * the Lord is with you!” *
"When something or someone is “full” it obviously means that there is no room for anything else.“Full of GRACE” has to mean without sin. Can’t be “full of Grace” if sin is present.
Mary’s assention is based on the following facts.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus; Jesus is God; therefore Mary is and must be the Mother of God. Simple Logic.
Luke chpt. 1"
29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33* and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end." 34* And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” 35* And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born * will be called holy, the Son of God. **
Mary is the Mother of God
Twice in the Old Testament, Yahweh God took special Body and soul to heaven:
Heb.11:5 " 5* By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was attested as having pleased God."
Genesis 5: "24* Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
and 2 Kings “9 When they had crossed, Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask what I shall do for you, before I am taken from you.” …11* And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Picture) 12 And Elisha saw it and he cried, “My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw him no more.”
Now The BVM is…
The Mother of Jesus who is God Lk. 1:35
The Spouce of The Holy Spirit who is God Lk. 1:35
and God the Father Chose Mary out of all people in all ages to be the Mother of His Son.
Logic and historical evidence of Mary’s Home, mary’s empty tomb, and Mary’s UNnique and Special Role in our redeemption (made Jesus who is God present to us!) give clear evidence that she too was taken Body and Soul into heaven.
Hence, I want to explain marian theology in loving caring way, even though we may have opposite understanding of Mary. .
As far as mary being “co-redeentrix.” At this juncture it is only a Catholic Theological discussion. Many are pushing for it to be “defined,” but to this point it has not happened.
The progression is: 1. Discussion 2. Defined Doctrine 3. Defined Dogma. Again, right now it is still in the discussion stage.
Futher info. The discussion in no way implies an equality with God!
What is being discussed is the
POSSIBILITY that Mary in the signifiant role that she played in Making Jesus Present to us,
always full of grace and without sin (made necessary because Jesus is God; God is and must be perfect; and therefore Mary had also to be made perfect, which in fact was accomplished therough the merits of Her Son )Jesus. (With God time does not exisit.)
That as a reward for who She is, what She has accomplished, all that She suffered and endured… That God permits all grace to flow from God to Mary and Mary to us. Jesus remains the ONLY Redeemer, Mary is in the role of assistance!
