Does God ever take suffering away from you?

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I think that you can ask God to take away your sufferings and He will. I’ll give the example that a woman is getting beaten by her husband. I think she has EVERY right to ask God to relieve her suffering, whether she prays for a change of heart for her attacker or finds a way out. I see this as an answer to prayer, along with God relieving your suffering. I have had conversations with people who say that God will not take away your suffering, and they give examples of martyrs. I see their very valid point that they are dying for Christ and its is righteous suffering (I don’t know if this is the correct way to say it, but but I hope you can understand what I am trying to say). So does that mean that we should never ask for relief of our suffering? I cannot reconcile these two ideas, so if someone could help me out I would sure appreciate it.

Any sincere responses would be appreciated :yup:
 
This is the one thing about prayer that I don’t like.

Sometimes God says no, and no is an ansewr. But for some unknown reason, people refuse to believe that God sometimes says no and must answer yes to all their prayers, every single one of them.

Faith should not be base don this kind of a relationship. Sure, God is a loving God, but he does not always have to say yes to your prayers.
 
This is the one thing about prayer that I don’t like.

Sometimes God says no, and no is an ansewr. But for some unknown reason, people refuse to believe that God sometimes says no and must answer yes to all their prayers, every single one of them.

Faith should not be base don this kind of a relationship. Sure, God is a loving God, but he does not always have to say yes to your prayers.
I actually competely agree with you (Garth Brooks was wrong, there are no unanswered prayers). But in the example of a woman living with an abusive man, is it really the best thing to assume that God answered no to your prayer?
 
I don’t believe for a second that the Lord who teaches us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves (which btw does imply self love) would want anyone to stay in a relationship, be it marriage work or otherwise, where a person is being demeaned or abused. We are all created in the Image of God and we are all specially created by God in the womb. As such we have a value as creatures made by God and no one, not even the animals, should be subjected to cruel treatment. (And yes, the Proverbs do warn against abusing one’s animal.)

So even though God does not relieve all suffering, St Paul prayed to have a thorn removed from his flesh and God told him no, I don’t think specific intervention as a voice from Heaven is necessary for us to know to leave an abusive situation behind. I don’t think we need God to show up to tell us to get away from an abusive spouse or other relationship. God created us all with common sense and self worth, and those two things alone should be sufficient to handle that situation.
 
I actually competely agree with you (Garth Brooks was wrong, there are no unanswered prayers). But in the example of a woman living with an abusive man, is it really the best thing to assume that God answered no to your prayer?
With a physically abusive relationship, or even with most abusive relationships of any kind, the answer God has already given to us - as partners we seek counselling, or the abused leaves the abuser and the abusive relationship. We certainly can and should ask that God intervene in some way and bring to an end this evil … we need also be aware that there is an answer (as mentioned). Sometimes the abused can have overwhelming fears about leaving (for example) the abuser and abusive relationship, and this extreme fear needs be addressed and most often in a counselling situation. One of the results of an abusive relationship is undermining of self confidence and self esteem for the person abused, and when this is addressed and perhaps best through counselling, as a result the excessive fear of leaving an abusive relationship is automatically thereby addressed and the excessive fear simply dissolves.
Certainly a physically abusive relationship can be putting ourselves in mortal danger should the violence escalate and this can happen very suddenly indeed.
Sometimes the answer that God does give to our prayers, we reject as an answer because it is not the precise answer we were looking for. In other words, our prayer was not asking God to intervene in a situation according to His Will, it was ordering God to intervene in the situation and only according to our own will.
To remain in a potentially dangerous situation waiting for God to act and according to my instructions, can be presumptious, and certainly if God has already put into the situation options for consideration that are dismissed, because the options do not suit me.

Sometimes from a misguided spirituality, a Catholic person will stay in an abusive relationship for ‘spritual reasons’…this is indeed misguided and such a person needs spiritual direction. In an abusive relationship not only is the abuser offending against charity seriously, but the abused is reinforcing this offence even a participant in it and by doing nothing about the situation.

To suffer any sort of evil and with no way out is persecution of goodness by evil…this is indeed what you term “righteous suffering”…or suffering in the cause of what is good and rightful.
 
I don’t think I’m making myself very clear, which is my fault. Everyone who has answered has made a lot of sense and I thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I guess what I want to know is if God can heal you of any suffering? I think so, but how do I argue against someone who believes that suffering is a part of life, no matter what you do? Prayer is powerful, and I think everyone would agree with that. I think that they have to decide God can either perform miracles, or He can’t. We have all heard stories about how people have been miraculously cured of diseases with no medical explaination. Isn’t this a form of God taking away your suffering? I just want to know what to say to them next time this comes up.

I hope this makes more sense as to what I am asking…
 
Sometimes the answer that God does give to our prayers, we reject as an answer because it is not the precise answer we were looking for. In other words, our prayer was not asking God to intervene in a situation according to His Will, it was ordering God to intervene in the situation and only according to our own will.

To remain in a potentially dangerous situation waiting for God to act and according to my instructions, can be presumptious, and certainly if God has already put into the situation options for consideration that are dismissed, because the options do not suit me.
Wow. Now this is valuable food for thought.

~~ the phoenix
 
Dear Lil_Cat,

Here’s an answer from something going on right now in real life among people who are using the Prayer Intentions section of the CAF forum.

There’s a woman named jollyoki who, on top of all her other troubles, came down with a bad cold this week, and was afraid it would turn into pneumonia, because that’s what happened the last three times in the past.

One of our CAF prayer warriors prayed behind the scenes specifically that the cold not turn into pneumonia. Today I spoke to jollyoki on the phone. Her voice sounded better than it had in days, and she happily declared that her cold had cleared up and that it was the first time in a long time that it did not go into pneumonia.

With everything else going on around her, this can definitely be considered a small miracle.

That said, jollyoki is still suffering a lot and is very much in need of prayer. Any prayer that anyone can say on her behalf will be gratefully appreciated.

~~ the phoenix
 
I don’t think I’m making myself very clear, which is my fault. Everyone who has answered has made a lot of sense and I thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. I guess what I want to know is if God can heal you of any suffering?
God can do all things…and can heal all suffering no matter cause - although it may well be only through the miraculous.
I think so, but how do I argue against someone who believes that suffering is a part of life, no matter what you do?
Suffering is intrinsic to life and in many forms indeed. However, suffering is an evil…and to suffer an evil while doing nothing about it, though there is something one could do, is to be a participant in that evil indirectly.
Prayer is powerful, and I think everyone would agree with that. I think that they have to decide God can either perform miracles, or He can’t.
Yes, The Lord is the Worker of Miracles. However to refuse to settle for anything but the miracle, is presumption. While God can work miracles, we certainly are offending God to try to put Him into some sort of corner where He must work a miracle…which is impossible anyway. Sometime when we pray we are not asking God according to His Will…we are attempting to order God according to our own will. And when we do not get our way, we say God has not answered our prayer or has answered in the negative. God always answers our prayer and in the very best interests of the situation…always!..and whether I can see this or not, understand it or not that God has answered our prayer in the best interests of the situation is really a mute point. What it does point out however, is that we have a misunderstanding of the Prayer of Petition.
 
Yes God can relieve our suffering, but he does not have to.

I have a friend who follows one of these word of faith preachers, who I think are heretics one and all, who say that any promise in the Bible can be claimed by us and if we have enough faith God will give it to us. The upshot of this is that if you are not being healed or whatever it is because you lack faith.

Here’s the rub.

My friend was born with spinobiffida and has spent his life in a wheel chair and recently had an amputation because he cannot be active. Now he really loves God, but this preacher had him questioning his salvation because he was not been healed and it makes me so mad I could scream. Praise God he got away from that man.

That is why I answer the way I do. My mother had polio and was never healed but I don’t think it was because God didn’t love her, I think it was because God had other plans. So sure, some people do get healed by the grace of God, but sometimes God says no. It is not however because God has failed and neither is it because we have no faith, it is because God is God and His grace is sufficient.
 
Suffering is intrinsic to life and in many forms indeed. However, suffering is an evil…and to suffer an evil while doing nothing about it, though there is something one could do, is to be a participant in that evil indirectly.

God always answers our prayer and in the very best interests of the situation…always!
Thank you!! This is exactly what I was looking for!

I sincerely thank all of you for your comments. You all have helped me a ton!
 
This gets into a very fascinating part of prayer. But, to address that issue first, yes, God does sometimes. Other times, God does not.

Examples that immediately come to mind are when the sick are healed miraculously. We wouldn’t have canonisations if God doesn’t heal the suffering.

One might think, however, that it is imperfect to pray for the relief of suffering and that it’s more saintly to just pray for the strength to endure it. But, we do have examples of when saints themselves were healed of illnesses. Saint Gemma Galgani, for example, was healed after having visions of Saint Gabriel Possenti who had already been dead for some time. So, even holy people can ask for relief from suffering.

God *wants *us to ask for His help. If someone is suffering, God wants to be called upon. If you’re unfamiliar with the devotions of the Divine Mercy, they were visions that a nun named Faustina Kowalska had back in the early part of the twentieth century. She had visions of Jesus and made a few prophecies which came true, suggesting that she really was a holy woman. After her death, people prayed to her and were healed of illnesses, two cases of which led to her being declared a saint.

Anyway, in Faustina’s diary where she writes of her conversations with Jesus, Jesus says explicitly how God wants us to ask for His help. So, if one were suffering, God would want you to pray to Him for aid. The aid may not necessarily be in ending the suffering; it might just be strength to endure through it.

In the specific example that you gave, by all means, the wife should pray for the suffering to stop. But as others noted here, the answer to those prayers could be “no,” in which case she’d best ask God for strength and patience. God would prefer to give strength rather than a reprieve in those cases because, for whatever reason, it would work out better in the long run.

The fascinating part of prayer that I mentioned above is figuring out whether or not God will grant what you want. Someone could say easily that you could just pray for it; if God doesn’t give it to you, then you won’t get it. But the question is, how do you know when you have prayed enough? I was recently reading about miraculous happenings with regard to saints, and I read of one example (I don’t remember the specifics right now, sorry) where someone prayed to a saint and had to do many novenas to get what he wanted. How did that person know to pray that much instead of giving up? That’s a difficult thing each person has to figure out on his or her own, as each case approaches.

That being said, this doesn’t mean that the wife in such a case should just take everything sitting down. If her husband is beating her, in a way, perhaps God already gave her what she needs to make the suffering stop. God gave her a voice; she can tell her husband to stop it. God gave her fingers; she can dial 911. God doesn’t only work in supernatural ways.
I think that you can ask God to take away your sufferings and He will. I’ll give the example that a woman is getting beaten by her husband. I think she has EVERY right to ask God to relieve her suffering, whether she prays for a change of heart for her attacker or finds a way out. I see this as an answer to prayer, along with God relieving your suffering. I have had conversations with people who say that God will not take away your suffering, and they give examples of martyrs. I see their very valid point that they are dying for Christ and its is righteous suffering (I don’t know if this is the correct way to say it, but but I hope you can understand what I am trying to say). So does that mean that we should never ask for relief of our suffering? I cannot reconcile these two ideas, so if someone could help me out I would sure appreciate it.

Any sincere responses would be appreciated :yup:
 
If God intended never to take away suffering, why in the world would He want us to ‘cry out to Him day and night?’ There are many kinds of suffering in the Bible and God often intervened at the prayers of His people, even when the suffering was due to their own sin. Jesus healed. Sometimes God says yes, and sometimes He says no, but what kind of loving Father would He be if He never intervened in the suffering of His children? He can, and does, every day. If God meant us only to suffer, or to glorify suffering, there would have been no wedding at Cana, no feasts, no days of rest, no joy, no jubilees.

He also expects us to use our heads to help ourselves. He didn’t give us perfectly good minds to act like brainless sheep. If we’re in a situation we can morally remedy and instead wait for God to intervene, it’s not God Who’s necessarily willing the situation on us or letting us down; it’s ourselves. If we’re sick and we wait for a miraculous healing instead of going to a doctor, if we allow ourselves to be repeatedly beaten to a pulp while we could get help for ourselves, it’s not God willing that we suffer.

It’s one thing to make sacrifices or to put up with some of the pain that is already present in life and to “offer it up.” But deliberately seeking real suffering is just neurotic.
 
I have come to realize that God does not literally “do” anything - He does not cure diseases, solve problems, grant wishes etc.

But God does provide me the strength and courage to do the right thing in each situation I encounter. Even if that means having the courage & strength to endure pain - both physical & emotional pain. He guides me to learn & grow because of the pain not despite it.

“Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me” Psalm 23:4

Prayer provides a way to be continually connected with God and to keep me mindful of the depth of His succor. It’s only when I expect Him to solve my problems for me that I think He is saying “no” to my prayers. God never says “no” to providing me the guidance and strength I need.

Go with Love, Go with God
 
I disagree with DarkNight that God doesn’t “do” anything. If He were not in the habit of intervening, then most of the Bible is allegorical and of very little
practical meaning whatsoever. God does answer prayer and He operates on every level of our lives, not just the specifically spiritual.
 
Thank you!! This is exactly what I was looking for!

I sincerely thank all of you for your comments. You all have helped me a ton!
Happy to have been one of those who did take a ‘stab at it’ and who came up somehow helpful to “a ton”…👍 …Deo Graitus!
 
With my previous post, I mentioned the Divine Mercy devotions. I meant to put up a link to the full text of Faustina’s Diary but I just plain forget. Here it is if you’re interested rayofmercy.org/diary/English/diary.pdf

If these online texts don’t suit you, you can get the Diary at practically any big book store by special order (which bookstores generally do for free). It’s thick but it’s cheap, around 12 bucks at the most. It’s called Divine Mercy in My Soul.
 
With my previous post, I mentioned the Divine Mercy devotions. I meant to put up a link to the full text of Faustina’s Diary but I just plain forget. Here it is if you’re interested rayofmercy.org/diary/English/diary.pdf

If these online texts don’t suit you, you can get the Diary at practically any big book store by special order (which bookstores generally do for free). It’s thick but it’s cheap, around 12 bucks at the most. It’s called Divine Mercy in My Soul.
I second the motion:thumbsup: re The Divine Mercy message and the devotions…and the diary of St. Faustina…I first came across St. Faustina long before she was made a saint and when still somewhat suspect in some areas…
 
I have come to realize that God does not literally “do” anything - He does not cure diseases, solve problems, grant wishes etc.
I have never heard anyone say something like this when this subject has been brought up. Can you clarify what you meant? Thanks!
 
I have never heard anyone say something like this when this subject has been brought up. Can you clarify what you meant? Thanks!
I experienced a tragedy in my life so deep I thought my life, for all intents and purposes, was over with. My life and my hopes and my dreams imploded in a single moment.
I prayed for God to make the situation just a bit better, to provide me someone I could lean on.
But no one understood the depth of my tragedy.

I still remember the moment, when I was curled up in tears wondering why I had no one who understood.
And then I heard Jesus say to me “I understand, I am here.”

I realized that I was so busy asking Him for help that I did not hear the guidance He was in-fact giving me. That the most important thing was to do the “right thing” for me to do at each moment. Jesus can not walk my journey for me. But He did show me how to “walk my path”, as I like to put it, by being completely human and walking His path so very well. Through His life, Jesus has shown us that having the strength & courage to do the right thing each moment always leads us through the darkness and into the light.

I always wondered about that question “What would Jesus do?” Now I know the answer: Jesus would walk His path. So now I listen for Him because He is persistently telling me the right thing to do at each moment, gently guiding me on my path.

God will not cure my epilepsy, alleviate my depression, eliminate the various rare cancers that plague my family and etc.
While that would make it easier for me, it would be like the proverbial “Giving a man a fish”.
Instead God willingly guides me at each moment – He “teaches a man to fish”.
He guides me, He guides everyone.

And I have come to realize that, when I become lost and stumble off my path, He is continually guiding me back to my path. I just need to stop and listen.

I, and the people who know me best, are amazed at the person I have become.
I know it is because of my personal tragedy, not despite it.

Go with Love, Go with God
 
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