Does God have cruelty? Or he doesn't have cruelty one bit?

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God cannot have cruelty, he is perfectly good. He does have justice though.
 
I see you have been in many discussions. Please can you give us a handle by relating what chain of information has led to your posing this question, that can help us focus our replies on your own areas of greatest interest.

He knows jolly well we live on a planet among other bodies with diverse orbits and prone to volcanos, earthquakes, ice ages and thaws. Look at what was going on at the end of the Bronze Age.

Many free and powerful individuals have taken upon themselves in many countries at many times to horrifyingly crush other individuals. Look into Assyria but also many others.

We must put our intellects to use and study geology, history, the traditions of nations, anthropology, and all the sciences.
 
In using the word cruelty, I think you are closer to an apples to apples comparison with ‘love’, since love is action. Cruelty could also be considered action.

So good choice of word for the discussion. Most people use emotional terms because of the common error that love is an emotion. Love is action.

With regard to God, it’s really a matter of considering perfection right?

In the least, if there is a God, we could set a definition of ‘God is perfect’.

Can perfect be at the same time opposites in ‘to love’ and ‘to be cruel’?

I think we would have to reduce God from ‘perfect’, to even consider both love and cruelty.

That’s not possible, since God is perfect.

So how should we handle our current perception, if it seems like cruel is a possibility? Perhaps there is context and other information to learn vs. what we currently perceive.

Take care,

Mike
 
I think it’s pretty cruel to create people with deep seated needs, the fulfilling of which is important to validate oneself, but at the same time punish said people eternally for engaging in these behaviors.

I also think it’s pretty cruel to hang eternal punishment over people who have concluded after weighing all the arguments and evidence that the Christian expression of God is unlikely.
 
Rhubarb said:
I think it’s pretty cruel to create people with deep seated needs, the fulfilling of which is important to validate oneself, but at the same time punish said people eternally for engaging in these behaviors.

I also think it’s pretty cruel to hang eternal punishment over people who have concluded after weighing all the arguments and evidence that the Christian expression of God is unlikely.
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Our experiences and observations certainly drive our thoughts and conclusions.

Though, I don’t know if even any saint grasped ‘all the arguments and evidence’, even those who walked with Jesus.

Certainly that isn’t portrayed in the Bible.

I don’t know if we could find a Christian that would claim such, as accepting is not understanding ‘all’, in the least.

Take care,

Mike
 
Rhubarb said:
I think it’s pretty cruel to create people with deep seated needs, the fulfilling of which is important to validate oneself, but at the same time punish said people eternally for engaging in these behaviors.
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You’re advocating that human beings have no control over their minds, bodies, or emotions? We are mere puppets? Then you are a Calvinist, without the idea that God has already chosen the elect so the rest of us are just plain out of luck. 😉
I also think it’s pretty cruel to hang eternal punishment over people who have concluded after weighing all the arguments and evidence that the Christian expression of God is unlikely.
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Ah but, God doesn’t do that. He judges us by the graces he gave us and what we did with them. If he graces you with the knowledge that Christ is who he claimed to be and the Church is his voice on earth, but you reject it, willing and with full knowledge, you will be judged accordingly. If you’ve never heard of the Gospel but lived a life of seeking God, and doing what is best for others and loving them beyond human desires, then it’s possible you may be saved. God alone judges human hearts, my friend, not us. 🙂
 
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He did attacked and commanded harshly didn’t he?
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God loves us infinitely, and became one of us to show his infinite love for us. (Jesus Christ).

If it seems that He commands harshly, it is for our own good. He desires our salvation.

May He lead you to come to know His love for you!
 
Rhubarb said:
I think it’s pretty cruel to create people with deep seated needs, the fulfilling of which is important to validate oneself, but at the same time punish said people eternally for engaging in these behaviors.

I also think it’s pretty cruel to hang eternal punishment over people who have concluded after weighing all the arguments and evidence that the Christian expression of God is unlikely.
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That’s sort of like saying sending kids to school is bad. Because kids just want to play all day. Especially video games. So why send them to school? Why send them somewhere where they have to do hard stuff they don’t want? And why do the ones who don’t pass usually end up spinning their wheels in dead-end jobs? But does that mean it’s not fair? Or does that mean we sometimes have to face hard things in order to earn better things?

Peace Rhubarb.

-Trident
 
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