Does good stay good?

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  1. God has omniscience
  2. God stated that creation is good
  3. Creation has to stay good unless (1) or (2) is wrong
  4. No one can perform evil action because of (3)
  5. Evil action exist hence (1) or (2) is wrong
 
Angels were created good and with free will and were given a test. Their intelligence is greater than ours, and they could see at a glance what the outcome of their choice would be. Some chose to rebel.

Adam and Eve were created good and were given a test. They disobeyed and lost sanctifying grace.

The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity became man and voluntarily suffered and died for us, and then rose gloriously from the dead. When mankind freely chooses to cooperate with the grace of God, he can grow in God’s grace. If he chooses to do wrong, he has the chance to repent.

This is the short answer.
 
Your numbers (3) and (4) make incorrect assumptions. Why must creation “stay” good simply because God said “it is good” at the time and in the way He created it? :confused:

Just because God is unchanging does not necessarily mean that His creatures are.
 
  1. God has omniscience
  2. God stated that creation is good in the beginning
  3. Creation has to stay good unless the creation has free will
  4. Someone can perform evil action because of (3)
  5. Evil action exist hence (1) and (2) are correct
 
Bahman said:
  1. God has omniscience
  2. God stated that creation is good
  3. Creation has to stay good unless (1) or (2) is wrong
  4. No one can perform evil action because of (3)
  5. Evil action exist hence (1) or (2) is wrong
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The word “good” in this statement is really vague. I might call a piece of artwork good, even if it has flaws. The flaws might even enhance my opinion of the work. It all depends on my subjective views.

Words like “good” and “perfect” and “just” and “evil” don’t really mean anything on their own. They’re placeholders for each reader to insert their own views. The statement “I think this artwork is good” doesn’t tell you anything about the artwork itself unless you know my definition of ‘good artwork’.
 
Bahman said:
  1. God has omniscience
  2. God stated that creation is good
  3. Creation has to stay good unless (1) or (2) is wrong
  4. No one can perform evil action because of (3)
  5. Evil action exist hence (1) or (2) is wrong
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If 3 is wrong, it doesn’t follow that 1 and 2 are wrong.
 
God gives = creating

Creation from a loving God = Good

Creation loved = opportunity for good to go, by creation in not returning love

not returning love = creation has choice

Creation having choice = God creates with Love

Love does not force.
 
It is good for something to exist. The existence is self is a goodness.

But this goodness does not apply to actions which must be judged independently from the person or thing doing the action.

It is good that everybody exists, but some do good actions and others do bad actions.

So the typically false atheist argument in post 1 falls apart. 😃
 
The formula for today’s FUN:

**1) God has omniscience
2) God stated that creation is good
3) Creation has to stay good unless (1) or (2) is wrong
4) No one can perform evil action because of (3)
5) Evil action exist hence (1) or (2) is wrong
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(1) It seems like God is omniscient
(2) At the end of Creating the Universe (and Adam) God said this Universe is good

If God said 6000 years ago that His Creation is good … that can be a True statement.
This was before the First Sin. This was before Eve was created. This was before God created Death.
And if there was NO First Sin after God made His statement, there would never be Evil (to be Evil is also to Sin, and often).
So, at THAT moment in Time, God calls his new Creation good.
(Or, God could have meant that it was a good thing to create the Universe. But that doesn’t really matter in this instance.)

What God did NOT say is : "Every Human Being is Good, and all of Adam’s future descendants in the Year 2014 are going to (some day) be good."
 
Bahman said:
  1. Creation has to stay good unless (1) or (2) is wrong
  2. No one can perform evil action because of (3)
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I would submit that the term “stay good” does not really cohere with what classical theists would define “good” to be. Someone committed, say, to the convertibility of being and goodness would not accept that something could not “stay good.” Substances are always good to some extent; evil is parasitic upon goodness. The person who commits a crime has made himself worse thereby, but he is still good, and his badness is purely a consequence of his failing to be perfect.
 
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