Does Life Teen Translate Into Adult Catholic Life?

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After being involved with LifeTeen for more than 4 years I cannot describe the many miracles I have seen! Witnessing the miracle moment when a teen finally opens his eyes to the face of Christ! Amazing.
Now that having been said…
LifeTeen has tons and tons of great resources. But a word of caution. Be prepared to orthodox-ize. I don’t recomend using the LifeTeen formula for the Mass. It’s true, it does “Lead teens closer to Christ.” But in my experience I think it gives them a false feeling for what the Mass truly is. LifeTeen is very “protestant” in feel.
The thing about LifeTeen which keeps me involved is that it is very Catholic. Maybe not as deep as I would like, but very Catholic!
 
I still remember how LT liturgy got a hit from GIRM on some specialities as gathering arround the altar for Consacration or final greeting “the mass in not over, it should continue in our lifes, so lets …” (something like that :o)) … it was a respectfull explanation from the priest that kept teens in good mood towards liturgical norms. The priest has a key role - and a core and Parents Group also where it exists.
ThankYou!
 
Part of what drew me to Mass is because it was so out of place with our culture. What’s all this Latin, incense, and chanting? What is with those vestments, what do they mean, how did they get to their current function? What is the story of those people in the stained glass windows? Q & A, that’s all.
That draws some people to the Catholic Church, but it drives others away. It’s so foreign to them they can’t relate to it. When they go to Mass, they feel like they have to hide their faith and hide their feelings. People who are in these situations involuntarily find the local evangelical church to be VERY inviting. I love tradition- I always have, so that attracted me to traditional Catholicism. I’m also your stereotypical classical musician who thumbs his nose at just about everything that isn’t classical music (I’m opening up a bit, but I’d still choose Masses and Motets from the Renaissance over drums and electric guitars any day).
 
but it drives others away… People who are in these situations involuntarily find the local evangelical church to be VERY inviting.
You bring up an interesting point and I will relate my observations on campus. Catholics who have been exposed to contemporary worship, find themselves isolated on campus because although they may worship like evangelicals they are theologically catholics as a result I have seen A. they become evangelicals because they can’t take the typical boring Mass, or point B. they abandon Christianity altogether. I found myself very isolated, because it seemed the only practicing denomination on campus were the evangelicals and they had the upbeat services. The only good thing is due to the anti-catholicism I experienced on campus, I found the church fathers and that changed my life. My friend unfortunatley fell into point B as a result of her confrontations with her baptist boyfriend.
 
or C. They stay catholic w/love of faith and FIND oppurtunites to worshp as well as attend Mass.
 
Come to the the University community at Niagara. We sing normal, boring songs. However, about 90-95% of the regular churchgoers had a firm youth group, and for about 50% of them it was a lifeteen group. We’re talking about over 100 students divided between three Masses.
Some former lifeteen kids even go to gasp Daily Mass. Infact, all of the regular Daily Mass students (about a dozen), bar one, comes from different, vibrant, Lifeteen parishes in the tri state area. (Ohio, NY and Penn) and then Jersy and Canada. Us proud Alumnus are not alone in our activities. A multi-college Catholic retreat I went on revealed that we graduates of such Lifeteen or lifeteen-esque programs fill the seats in our parish communities. Many of us have found different places to worship, some have found Catholic churches to worship in. All, however, recognize the Catholic Church as the only one wich Salvation is found b/c its the only one with the Eucharist.

And that, really, is my bottom line. If Lifeteen, within litirgucal norms, does nothing else but teach them the value of the Eucharist, it is worthy of being a ministry.

Good priests, good parishes, provide good youth programing. Without it there are few young Catholics with any sort of fire for their faith. When parishes follow the directives of Lifeteen HQ, (and some have lost their lisence not following) it provides one of the best American programs that a parish can run. The only program that I’ve seen that comes close is the Fillipino Couples for Christ-Youth For Christ, which is almost identical in many ways, except it belongs to the bigger family ministry, which supports it, insted of belonging to a central HQ.

Personally, Latin traditons drive me away. I’m severly, deathly allergic to smoke, and therefore insence is impossible to bear. (don’t dare give me the hypoallerginc speech, I’m allergic).

Lifeteen may have a “protestant” feel for us in the United States, but some of my Hispanic Catholic friends, as well as some of my Fillipino and Asian Catholic friends, how Lifeteen Masses are set up are as Catholic as they come. Its America’s view of what is acceptable in America’s churches that drive this contraversy.

There is nothing wrong with a “protestant” feel as long as the knowledge of the Eucharist is being integrated and understood. What is Protestantism but Catholocism without the Eucharist!!!
 
What is Protestantism but Catholocism without the Eucharist!!!
Protestantism: Don’t confess your sins to a man, but to God only. Don’t ask Mary and the Saints to pray for you, pray directly to your personal Lord and Saviour. Who needs Annointing of the Sick, the Holy Spirit alone will heal you (I’ve seen this at charismatic masses.) I was also a daily mass goer and still am, I was still almost swept away into evangelicalsim. What do I hold responsible for this? That there were no strong Catholic Youth programs at college, once openly exposed to the norms, most fell away. I’ve been to three colleges and I see a withered fig tree, I restate, point C. is far and few. Niagara U. is one of those few exceptional cases. Steubeniville is another.

Incense is not restricted to the Latin Church, it is also used in the Eastern Rites it is part of the entire Church and is mentioned all over scripture.
 
You can find confession in protestant churches.
In some protestant churches Mary is somewhat venerated.
Some respect the Saints.
And some have prayers over the sick, not all wrapped into one, but in all different places…they have portions of the truth!

Yes, there may be lacking “strong” support systems at SOME Catholic colleges, but like I said, in innercollegiate retreats (not including Steubenville) Catholics are fairly well supported, and even have strong RCIA programs. (many of whom had youth groups but never converted or couldn’t) And I know students from all over the US through Onerock online or Lifeteen site. One’s in TX and another in Chicago etc, all whom have remained Catholic…

My view is that its not few and far between. That maybe, yes, many fall away after lifeteen (or other strong youth ministry) but the really do not stand a chance without it, nomatter what supports come later in life.
 
You can find confession in protestant churches.
In some protestant churches Mary is somewhat venerated.
Some respect the Saints.
And some have prayers over the sick, not all wrapped into one, but in all different places…they have portions of the truth!
Yes, the Anglo-Catholic communion comes to mind, they also shun low church worship. Many converts from this branch of the Anglican Church whom post on these forums have stated that they miss all of their old high church liturgies. (Cardinal Newman converted from this branch, I bet he’s rolling over in his grave right now after witnessing what is occuring within the campus chapels that bear his name.) And it is pretty bad when we have to use the terms “High Church” and “Low Church” within Catholicism, because they are terms that were invented by the Anglican communion and its break-away denominations.
Meggie; 1994218:
Yes, there may be lacking “strong” support systems at SOME Catholic colleges, but like I said, in innercollegiate retreats (not including Steubenville) Catholics are fairly well supported, and even have strong RCIA programs. (many of whom had youth groups but never converted or couldn’t) And I know students from all over the US through Onerock online or Lifeteen site. One’s in TX and another in Chicago etc, all whom have remained Catholic…

My view is that its not few and far between. That maybe, yes, many fall away after lifeteen (or other strong youth ministry) but the really do not stand a chance without it, nomatter what supports come later in life.
I would also like to restate that lifeteen does work for some but I have found it is not as affective as many people try to make it sound. Unfortunatley it is open to abuse and/or displaying to our teens the wrong message about Catholicism.
 
Ok… I didn’t read every post, but this was my take on LifeTeen when I was a teen myself.

I was constantly in search for something deeper in my spiritual life as a Catholic, so when my friends and I found out about Lifeteen, we decided to give it a try. At first, it seemed “cool” because everyone was young and getting into mass. The priest was young and “cool”. (Although about 9 years later when I was working at a church as the music teacher, he became pastor and I found out how egotistical and self-glorifying he was. I left and found out that other people also discovered this. I won’t go into details, but I quickly learned it was more about him than about God.)

Anyway, it quickly became old. I continued to attend, but I was left empty. Although my tastes and training as a classical musician were not as refined at that point in my life, I always thought the hippie rock band was a bit much and too irreverent for my taste. My best friend and I have talked about how it just dumbed down the reverence and the mysterium of the mass for us. It’s only a superficial fix. To me and my friends, the Teenlife mass was more about making it cool instead of focusing on the importance of the mass and the body and blood of Christ. They tried too hard to appeal to the youth. Some of the after mass activies can be fine, but it fits better for younger children, rather than teens. It’s not intellectual enough and more like, “Duh, of course we knew that.” Also, once kids go to college, they either lose site of their faith or dig deeper into it, such as myself and my other contemporaries. Most of us realize more how empty Lifeteen was as we dug deeper into our faiths. It had no impact on me or my friends with being Catholic, except that we definitely did not want our mass to be like that.

Perhaps not all Teenlife was like that, but from my experience and experiences of others that I know, it really wasn’t inspirational.
 
Although I have never been to anything related to Life Teen, I feel I can comfortably say that any generalizations forsuch a large organization will be mistaken. I have heard of abuses in Life Teen, and I have heard of brilliant and beautiful transformations.

Many times, it seems like Catholics label Life Teen the same way non-Catholics label Catholics. “My Catholic neighbor and several other Catholics are alcoholics, therefore, all Cathoics are alcoholic. My local Life Teen preaches heterodoxy, therefore Life Teen is the product of Satan.”

A lot of it would also depend on the teen involved. If the teen really wants to, of course he or she will remain Catholic. If they don’t, they won’t.
 
It all starts and ends at home. The best Catechism teachers are the parents. If they aren’t properly catechised, then it’s their responsibility to become so.

Oh, I wish I had kids. I’d turn them into junior apologists. They’d have all the answers they need to fight off those nasty college years and those who try to fill their heads about the Catholic church.
It sounds like a calling to volunteer for youth ministry or CCD classes in your parish! We need people like you…TRULY!
 
Life Teen is like a lot of other programs… it all depends on how it is implemented in each parish.

I’ve been involved in my parish’s Life Teen program for all four years of high school, and there have been ups and downs. The Life Nights were a little too wishy-washy in my freshman year, but they’ve been getting very steadily better, mainly due to our excellent adult Core members this year! Like I said, the effectiveness can depend on several things, especially those who are in charge.

That said, I have seen soooooo much good come through the program. I have friends who have developed such strong faiths that I really admire. In the last two years especially (since it has become less fluffy), my friends have been learning a lot about Catholicism. The nights don’t teach in-depth knowledge on doctrine, but you can’t assume that each teen has a lot of knowledge about the faith to begin with. Lately there have been several Q&A nights where our parish priests and deacons come in to answer any questions teens have, and those turn out really well.

As far as the mountaintop experiences go: I understand that it can be hard to take those and keep that faith through everyday life. But I don’t think that problem applies only to high school teens, either! I know that for me, four years of retreats/Steubenville/etc. have helped me to deal with the fact that not every day is going to be a happy spiritual “high.”

Life Teen isn’t necessary for everybody. But I know that it can definitely help some, if not many (as long as it’s done right). Also, you can’t just rely on a once-a-week Life Night for your faith life. You have to carry it out the rest of the time; Life Teen is a jump-start that can get teens going. For instance, my friends and I now try to go to Mass on at least one weekday. When we start to own it, instead of just showing up for an hour and a half, you can really start to see the effects.

Sorry about all of this rambling… I guess Life Teen is pretty close to my heart. It’s not perfect, but it’s something I’ll never forget.
 
That is the question ?

Does keeping them involved in this way keep them, or make them Catholic ?
Not through the questionable masses part. In my experience with college youth programs (at both the university attended and one I assisted with after I graduated) those students who came from Life Teen programs that had all of the liturgical abuses commonly associated with that program were the most likely to become protestant or just quit coming than those who had active youth programs that didn’t play fast and loose with the instructions of the GIRM. Those coming from where the teen mass was the fruit of the rest of the teen program instead of the keystone really made the best transition to a college parish where they were expected to be more individually responsible for attending and assisting at mass. From what I can tell, the teen programs (LifeTeen or not) that regularly produce seminarians are the ones that also built a solid Catholic foundation outside of what happened at the teen mass and did a better job at keeping abuses in the teen masses to a minimum. I have also noticed that the individual LT programs seem to be catching on to this themselves, where some of the ones I have previously been so troubled by that I would not attend mass at that time in a pinch have toned down the abuses to levels normal for that parish in general.
 
That said, I have seen soooooo much good come through the program.
One of the many things about God is that no matter however sinfully we behave (I am not saying Life Teen is sinful), he is always able to bring good.

I think I mentioned this before, but, we cannot use the fruits of a program as an argument. The fruits can produce a convincing sign. Nonetheless we must examine the methods of the program itself. I must confess that I am not terribly familiar with Life Teen’s inner workings and I know it varies much from place to place.

In our examination, we must make a few distinctions. First, we need to talk about the message of a policy or method and understand that this message is NOT the intention, necessarily, of the forces in charge of the policy or method. This message is also not the message of the people in charge.

That said, does customizing a Mass for a select few encourage participation in the larger, universal Church? As a method, we must say no. Now, let me continue.

By tailoring the Mass to the audience, a message is conveyed that it is about ‘you’ as an audience. This fact is not altered by the amount of times “We are one body” is sung. The message for the action of tailoring is “You don’t need to change; we’ll charge our end. Just stay the way you are.” I am very aware that ninety-nine percent if not all of those involved in this program DO want the kids to change their lives and preach this vocally and often. However, this does not change the message of tailoring the Mass.

One of the goals of Life Teen, as I understand it, is to bring kids closer to Christ and the Mass who had been away from these. In this it can be called evangelization. When we speak of a conversion, it is always about a heart turning to God. Christ instituted the Sacraments to aid in this conversion and continually makes himself present to us in them. He humbles himself, again and again, so that we may change. Let me repeat that: so that we may change. We all argee that we are the imperfect ones who need to change, however, in Life Teen, this message of personal change, personal conversion is contradicted. Despite this contradiction, though, we have seen many come to Christ through Life Teen, which is a very good thing. But we need to use a program that does not have such contradictions.

Now, doesn’t approaching a person individually and trying to evangelize them produce the same message (“I’ll change, you don’t have to”)? In other words, doesn’t all evangelization invovle this message? No, because the personal approach accepts and condons the person, not the behaviors or way of life. Life Teen, by inserting more popular music into the Mass, does not so much convey the message that “You are accepted here” as “Your music (lifestyle, etc) is accepted here.” It would be a similar situation if a person trying to reach out to homosexual people were to announce and host a Mass specifically for homosexuals, using only music written and played by homosexuals in a church decorated by homosexuals (I am not associating Life Teen with homosexuality, but simply demonstrating a principle). Is there anything rubrically wrong going on? No, not necessarily. Will this draw them closer to the Church? Perhaps, maybe even probably. However, I think we can see the contradiction and inappropriateness at work here. Despite the purest intention, there is a more honest way of reaching out which needs to be used.

This is just my opinion, so I encourge objections.
 
I understand what was said, but I offer this:

JPII himself said the youth are their seperate culture.

We “tailor” masses to spanish-speaking, english, french-speaking, the U.S.A, different rites, and yes, even children. The bishops even have seperate Eucharistic prayers and lectionary for Children.

THAT is what the whole idea of LifeTeen is…Teens are partially their own culture, and partially in the age of “children.” the youth Mass has been very thoroughly looked at by Cardinal Arinze, working closely with LifeTeen. They encouraged youth masses. No, its not in writing, yet.
 
There’s a lot of reasons for the falloff in Church attendance during college and just after. First of all, many times the parents insist that the child attend Mass, so once the child is outside of the parents’ supervision, the child slacks off. Secondly, especially with youth masses, the child has a peer group where it’s expected that the child will attend Mass, once the child goes to college, no more positive peer pressure, the child (young adult by now) slacks off. Thirdly, if the collegian is taking a lot of credit hours, the time to get to, attend, and get back from Mass may seem a “waste” of time when she could get a couple more hours of sleep or more time for projects/studying in. Fourthly, many students choose to sleep in on Sunday and it can be hard to find a Sunday afternoon or evening Mass. Once the habit of going to Church is broken in college, it can be even harder to pick it up after college when there are job pressures, even more distractions etc.
 
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