Does mortal sin destroy all charity?

[Marc_Aupiais]

Charity, and love are different- you can love "God’, or even God, but no act is an act of charity, except in proper proportion, or near it. We may accidentally, or venially sin, it is still in charity- THE ABILITY TO OBEY, AND GIFT OF OBEDIENCE GIVEN BY GOD- but so far as mortally sinful acts go- it is not God acting, but us, therefore it is not charity, which is God in our lives.
I’d say charity is that which seeks the truth, to obey it, and causes all Faith.

It is really a definition issue- Chrisian Love- Charity; Love- affection, and so on, in greek this is an easir conversation. We cannot act perfectly except in God- this saintly action is charity- the action, which we are in fact showing God (it is God that is seen- reject me, reject God, when I act in his, for it is God acting, not me), otherwise, lack of proportion is formed, and charity is not there, even if it is still a distat reflection. Charity is only existent in the Ecclesium, as with Faith and hope- the Ecclesium being all who obey truth (Lumen Gentium XVI). and seek it as best they can (Truth Being God, and proportional, and in context)- who, is in knowing communities, means active Catholics, and perhaps some who are not well off mentally, or have other issues, that ligitimately prevent their active service. E.G. if I sin, and am sorry, and determine to go to confession, this saturday, then Charity is reborn- Charity is the love which is God…

All in charity are catholic in the sense that they will be saved if they die in Charity- that is why we say it is so vital, Charity is the path- it is the rope, it is the force that leads us to God, it is God himself… God’s blessing, Pax Catholici


Marc Evan Aupiais

 

[peary]

Charity, and love are different- you can love "God’, or even God, but no act is an act of charity, except in proper proportion, or near it. We may accidentally, or venially sin, it is still in charity- THE ABILITY TO OBEY, AND GIFT OF OBEDIENCE GIVEN BY GOD- but so far as mortally sinful acts go- it is not God acting, but us, therefore it is not charity, which is God in our lives.
I’d say charity is that which seeks the truth, to obey it, and causes all Faith.

It is really a definition issue- Chrisian Love- Charity; Love- affection, and so on, in greek this is an easir conversation. We cannot act perfectly except in God- this saintly action is charity- the action, which we are in fact showing God (it is God that is seen- reject me, reject God, when I act in his, for it is God acting, not me), otherwise, lack of proportion is formed, and charity is not there, even if it is still a distat reflection. Charity is only existent in the Ecclesium, as with Faith and hope- the Ecclesium being all who obey truth (Lumen Gentium XVI). and seek it as best they can (Truth Being God, and proportional, and in context)- who, is in knowing communities, means active Catholics, and perhaps some who are not well off mentally, or have other issues, that ligitimately prevent their active service. E.G. if I sin, and am sorry, and determine to go to confession, this saturday, then Charity is reborn- Charity is the love which is God…

All in charity are catholic in the sense that they will be saved if they die in Charity- that is why we say it is so vital, Charity is the path- it is the rope, it is the force that leads us to God, it is God himself… God’s blessing, Pax Catholici


Marc Evan Aupiais

Even nonChristians practice charity. Are you saying that, given the right disposition, what they do is not charity?

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

peary:
Charity is love of others, for love of God… If they are acting in charity, then they can be saved…

If in mortal sin, and currently in it, then it is not “saving” charity, which is lost by mortal offense? Or if saving charity, then under the spirit’s influence

“the Council of Trent defined; “If anyone say that without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and without His aid a man can repent in the way that is necessary for obtaining the grace of justification, let him be anathema.”” (with imprimatur)
newadvent.org/cathen/04337a.htm

Anathema- condemned, kicked out of church through a curse, and ceremony at the time.

By Charity- I refer to the acting under the Spirit, which gains life, and keeps it.

“A virtue is an habitual and firm disposition to do the good…76 for the theological virtues relate directly to God. They dispose Christians to live in a relationship with the Holy Trinity. They have the One and Triune God for their origin, motive, and object.” vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a7.htm

Therein, Charity is a consistent action in virtue,

I’m saying that anyone in Charity- a theological virtue, is the equivalent of Catholic in obedience- “Love covers… sins”, so far as they obey as best they can be obligated.

This is where Lumen Gentium XVI is shown to be speaking within extra ecclesium nulla sallas.

The theological virtues are only present in the faithful, and given by God- the faithful include all who would be faithful… charitable action exists, but not the divine Charity, which saves the soul, to say this exists without the aid of the spirit, is sin.

“1811 It is not easy for man, wounded by sin, to maintain moral balance. Christ’s gift of salvation offers us the grace necessary to persevere in the pursuit of the virtues. Everyone should always ask for this grace of light and strength, frequent the sacraments, cooperate with the Holy Spirit, and follow his calls to love what is good and shun evil.” vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a7.htm

"“contrition has always been necessary for obtaining forgiveness of sin”. " newadvent.org/cathen/04337a.htm

This is Charity, and the only charity I refer to

"Charity

1822 Charity is the theological virtue by which we love God above all things for his own sake, and our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God.

1823 Jesus makes charity the new commandment.96 By loving his own "to the end,"97 he makes manifest the Father’s love which he receives. By loving one another, the disciples imitate the love of Jesus which they themselves receive. Whence Jesus says: “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love.” And again: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."98

1824 Fruit of the Spirit and fullness of the Law, charity keeps the commandments of God and his Christ: "Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love."99

1825 Christ died out of love for us, while we were still "enemies."100 The Lord asks us to love as he does, even our enemies, to make ourselves the neighbor of those farthest away, and to love children and the poor as Christ himself.101

The Apostle Paul has given an incomparable depiction of charity: "charity is patient and kind, charity is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Charity does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Charity bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."102

1826 “If I . . . have not charity,” says the Apostle, “I am nothing.” Whatever my privilege, service, or even virtue, "if I . . . have not charity, I gain nothing."103 Charity is superior to all the virtues. It is the first of the theological virtues: "So faith, hope, charity abide, these three. But the greatest of these is charity."104

1827 The practice of all the virtues is animated and inspired by charity, which “binds everything together in perfect harmony”;105 it is the form of the virtues; it articulates and orders them among themselves; it is the source and the goal of their Christian practice. Charity upholds and purifies our human ability to love, and raises it to the supernatural perfection of divine love.

1828 The practice of the moral life animated by charity gives to the Christian the spiritual freedom of the children of God. He no longer stands before God as a slave, in servile fear, or as a mercenary looking for wages, but as a son responding to the love of him who “first loved us”:106

If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.107

1829 The fruits of charity are joy, peace, and mercy; charity demands beneficence and fraternal correction; it is benevolence; it fosters reciprocity and remains disinterested and generous; it is friendship and communion: Love is itself the fulfillment of all our works. There is the goal; that is why we run: we run toward it, and once we reach it, in it we shall find rest.108 "

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a7.htm

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

Charity, and grace is present in all who repent- the moment they repent- they then act in peace-giving, in confession, which proves it as charity, without which, it is either shown false, or that the person in question does not know the need for confession, and are thereby judged by what they would do… so, here we enter interesting domain, but I still think it shown. Charity is destroyed by mortal sin, but reborn, the moment we decide to confess, and truly turn from sin…

“The Council of Trent defined that real contrition includes “a firm purpose of not sinning in the future”; consequently he who repents must resolve to avoid all sin. This doctrine is intimately bound up with the Catholic teaching concerning grace and repentance. There is no forgiveness without sorrow of soul, and forgiveness is always accompanied by God’s grace; grace cannot coexist with sin; and, as a consequence, one sin cannot be forgiven while another remains for which their is no repentance.”

newadvent.org/cathen/04337a.htm

for more see-

scripturelink.googlepages.com/search?cx=001763116401597409521%3Af7idlv7awxw&cof=FORID%3A11&q=charity&sa=Search

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

Aquinas says it all: Charity- is the friendship with God- destroyed by mortal sin, but not minor offense

From my search
scripturelink.googlepages.com/search?cx=001763116401597409521%3Af7idlv7awxw&cof=FORID%3A11&q=charity&sa=Search#1514

I read his words-

"I answer that, According to the Philosopher (Ethic. viii, 2,3) not every love has the character of friendship, but that love which is together with benevolence, when, to wit, we love someone so as to wish good to him. If, however, we do not wish good to what we love, but wish its good for ourselves, (thus we are said to love wine, or a horse, or the like), it is love not of friendship, but of a kind of concupiscence. For it would be absurd to speak of having friendship for wine or for a horse.

Yet neither does well-wishing suffice for friendship, for a certain mutual love is requisite, since friendship is between friend and friend: and this well-wishing is founded on some kind of communication.

Accordingly, since there is a communication between man and God, inasmuch as He communicates His happiness to us, some kind of friendship must needs be based on this same communication, of which it is written (1 Corinthians 1:9): “God is faithful: by Whom you are called unto the fellowship of His Son.” The love which is based on this communication, is charity: wherefore it is evident that charity is the friendship of man for God. "
newadvent.org/summa/3023.htm

 

[8eofilos]

This has nothing to do with Charity but indeed with how much you love Him. You can’t say that you truly love Him when your needs are more important than He is. If you truly Love Him you will deny your desires because that is what Jesus, His Son did for us. I have been fighting with my own desires for years and I said many times that I love him, but do I? Do we hurt the ones we love? Do we betray them? In that case Judas loved Him too but betrayed Him thinking that He would do miracles and show who He is. Then again feeling guilty he hangs himself again not showing his love to Jesus. You think Jesus wouldn’t forgive him if he went to the Cross and ask for it? If you confess in a sin and the next day or week do the same, have you repented really the first time?
I have been trying to be able to say NO to my desires and I have become better. If so I think I do love Him and try to become what He desires. But if I am the same always then that means I ignore His desires for me and do as I please!!!