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Robert_Sock
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I believe that one positive aspect of our culture is that it promotes love and empathy toward one another. I also think our love and empathy toward one another is growing in our culture.
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ProdglArchitect
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I disagree. Our culture is divisive by it’s nature. Party politics, exceptionally liberal media, anti-religious sentiment, racially charged television (lots of tele about terrorists and such), news that tends to only focus on dividing issues.
No, I think we’re headed in the opposite direction of unity. These things, and the rejection of the absolute truth of God’s Law, and acceptance of moral relativism, will only lead to a false concept of “unity and equality” where nothing is wrong, and each person is their own lawmaker. We only have to look at the divorce and abortion rates to realize this. False love is growing, but not the true, unative love of God and his Laws.
No, I think we’re headed in the opposite direction of unity. These things, and the rejection of the absolute truth of God’s Law, and acceptance of moral relativism, will only lead to a false concept of “unity and equality” where nothing is wrong, and each person is their own lawmaker. We only have to look at the divorce and abortion rates to realize this. False love is growing, but not the true, unative love of God and his Laws.
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robwar
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We have a culture of death. Abortion, euthanasia, immorality, crime are its signs. I wish what you are saying is true but sadly it is not. Whenever there is legal abortion, there is not love an empathy. When there is widespread promotion of unlimited sex, there is not love and empathy because people are too busy using each other for their own gratification. There is not proof for what you are proposing here.
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Robert_Sock
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Do you agree with Saint Paul who says that in all things, God works for the good. I believe that our world is on the path of salvation even though it is heavily influenced by Satan.
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Georgiana_X
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Robwar, I agree with you and could not say it better than you have. Especially concerning abortion, which I used as an example to a coworker recently who claimed that America has more “value for life” (he is pro-death) than other countries who are hostile towards us. He was actually shocked when I disagreed with him …until I gave legal abortion as my reason. He didn’t have any reply to that…was taken off guard.
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Robert_Sock
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I do not think our society promotes genuine spiritual love, but I believe it does encourage a more general form of love and empathy.
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Bill_7154
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I don’t know what you mean specifically when you refer to ‘our culture’ and don’t want to make assumptions about what you might mean as you could mean a variety of different things (Catholics, Christians, US Citizens, etc, etc,)
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JimG
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From what I see on Facebook, the culture promotes an unprecedented level of narcissism.
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Robert_Sock
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I would define our culture in anthropological terms that includes Western Society.
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Robert_Sock
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Also, from what I see on CAF, the culture indeed promotes an unprecedented level of narcissism.
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Bill_7154
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OK. I’m not sure whether or not I agree or disagree with your OP/thread title. It would be helpful (as far as me seeing if I could agree or disagree) if someone made a particular case for it and also someone else were to take the opposing point of view and argue against it. I don’t want this thread to turn into something it wasn’t meant to be though. I guess I’m just not sure.
God Bless,
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Robert_Sock
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Just look at the religious extremest in the Middle East and compare it to Western Civilization. The pendulum is swinging in the direction of Western Civilization, and it seems obvious to me that love and empathy is rampant in mainstream Western Civilization.
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Bill_7154
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TimeEntrance
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It’s probably not such a black and white issue. From my perspective I think C.S. Lewis statement - as cliche as it may be - has a lot of truth in it: The good and getting better and the bad are getting worse.
I think it’s rather obvious that Western Civilization has become more empathetic over certain issues. I think of racially based caste system of slavery. I think of thinks like alcoholism, teenage pregnancy, and I think for some individuals, even as misdirected their conclusion I believe, for them a woman’s right to control her body with legalized abortion is an attempt at empathy for women (or a small girl that gets impregnated through incest or rape by a stranger). There are some men and women that seem to view unborn children as nothing but parasites, but I think they are in the minority of those that are pro-legalized abortion.
Western societies seem to becoming increasingly empathic towards homosexuals.
The bullying issue of children seems - at least in the United States - seems to be better and worse at the same time. The “cool” children seem increasingly meaner but more media attention and adult responses seems to be trying to promote more empathy for those kids victimized by bullying.
The overall subculture of ethnic Black-American culture is a lot less empathetic and “loving” than it once was many generations ago.
Those manufacturing illegal drugs seem to be a lost less empathetic and loving than those in their profession might have been 60 or more years ago.
As for the United States I would say overall it is far more violent and pernicious in culture and people than Eastern Islamic society of Qatar.
I think it’s rather obvious that Western Civilization has become more empathetic over certain issues. I think of racially based caste system of slavery. I think of thinks like alcoholism, teenage pregnancy, and I think for some individuals, even as misdirected their conclusion I believe, for them a woman’s right to control her body with legalized abortion is an attempt at empathy for women (or a small girl that gets impregnated through incest or rape by a stranger). There are some men and women that seem to view unborn children as nothing but parasites, but I think they are in the minority of those that are pro-legalized abortion.
Western societies seem to becoming increasingly empathic towards homosexuals.
The bullying issue of children seems - at least in the United States - seems to be better and worse at the same time. The “cool” children seem increasingly meaner but more media attention and adult responses seems to be trying to promote more empathy for those kids victimized by bullying.
The overall subculture of ethnic Black-American culture is a lot less empathetic and “loving” than it once was many generations ago.
Those manufacturing illegal drugs seem to be a lost less empathetic and loving than those in their profession might have been 60 or more years ago.
As for the United States I would say overall it is far more violent and pernicious in culture and people than Eastern Islamic society of Qatar.
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andrewstx
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I dissagree very much, with societies drift to the far right I see US society and becomeing less loving and unitive with most looking for their own self interest, and others coming a distant second.
While their is some liberal media MSNBC, they are far outranked in rattings and popularity by FOX with 2 channels that air 24/7. MSNBC has live programing only on weekdays.
And their is no liberal radio that I am aware of, esp compared to Rush and the other right leaning.
The AM band is full of far right people from 55 to 1600, and their is no liberal counterpart. esp where I live.
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austenbosten
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I sadly agree with this.
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austenbosten
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So far-Left societies that promote abortion, contraception and euthanasia is “loving”?
Yet Fox is the only center-right station on the Network…when compared to left media like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN and far-left like MSNBC, and Current TV
NPR?
Once again…NPR
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andrewstx
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Sorry Austin I disagree with you based on our wildly varying POVs. I see Fox as far right and not center right, the political perspective has changed very far. With every step to the right countered by demands to go even further right.So far-Left societies that promote abortion, contraception and euthanasia is “loving”?
Yet Fox is the only center-right station on the Network…when compared to left media like ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN and far-left like MSNBC, and Current TV
NPR?
Once again…NPR
ABC, CBS, CNN are not left except to those with a far right POV, NBC can be a little to the left but not compared to MSNBC. And my appologies for forgetting Current, I hardly ever look at it prefering the moderate CNN.
As for NPR I can’t get it, everytime an NPR station is tried around here the frequency is instantly bought from under them by another fundamentalist station, the left end of the FM dial is crowded with fundamentalist stations all with the exact same automated programming.
My view is formed by the reality of my life. I am not comfortable, I am poor from a debiilitating stroke, cannot work and stuggle to survive from day to day.
I see my state Texas as a terrible place to be poor, they are reducing medicaid nearly by the day, and without the meds purchased by medicaid I would die.
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austenbosten
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Alright we’ll just have to disagree based on our different point of views.
However I will state that I cannot see Far-Left societies as being more-loving when they tend to support pro-death policies and socialism.
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JimG
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If a person holds to positions which are opposed to abortion, infanticide, contraception, sexual immorality, and same sex marriage, would that be viewed as “far right?” Such views are not only in line with Catholic Church teachings, but were in line with the teachings of every Christian denomination for hundreds of years, even up to the 1960’s. If one simply maintains the views which were common to all society, is that now far right? Who moved?
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