Does Rev 21: 11-13 indicate purgatory?

[Curious_Hobbit]

I’ve been reading Revelations and I came across this passage,

11 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them.
12
I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls.
13
The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. (New American Bible)

Does this passage point to purgatory? It’s interesting that the sea and hades gave up their dead and the “dead were judged according to their deeds”. I’m sure there are different ways of looking at this passage, but to me it suggests that there will be people who have died that are now being judged. At the very least it seems to support the idea of 1st and Final judgement. What do you think? I welcome both Catholic and Non- Catholic comments!

 

[Richard_Kastner]

I’ve been reading Revelations and I came across this passage,

11 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them.
12
I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls.
13
The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. (New American Bible)

Does this passage point to purgatory? It’s interesting that the sea and hades gave up their dead and the “dead were judged according to their deeds”. I’m sure there are different ways of looking at this passage, but to me it suggests that there will be people who have died that are now being judged. At the very least it seems to support the idea of 1st and Final judgement. What do you think? I welcome both Catholic and Non- Catholic comments!

This passage talks about the Great White Throne Judgement of the wicked. Notice in v. 12 it talks about the dead standing before the throne of God. Well I don’t believe tthat it is possible for the dead to stand. So what this is talking about is the judgement of the DEAD IN CHRIST or the prononcement of sentence on the damned.

 

[antonivs]

Also this is in chapter 20, not 21 (in case anyone else wants to read it in the larger context).

I believe it is using the word “Hades” in its Greek sense as the abode of the dead.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Revelation was written in apocalyptic code to the Catholic Church as it suffered under the fierce persecutions of Roman Emperor Domitian. Chapter 20:11-15 is about the Last Judgment. The language of Revelation is symbolic. Speaking for myself, I’ve never seen a Catholic interpretation of Purgatory from this passage.

Our Lord speaks of the forgiveness of sins in “the age to come” (Mt 12:32 RSV), which refers to purgatory according to St. Augustine and Pope St. Gregory the Great.

St. Paul writes, “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:11-15). This refers to Purgatory according to Origin and Sts. Jerome, Ambrose, and Augustine.

In the Old Testament, the teaching is found in 2 Maccabees 12:43-46.

Protestants consider Maccabees apocryphal, but it rests on the same authority as Isaiah or St. John – the divine, infallible witness of the Catholic Church. Even separating the fact of its inspiration, it is a historial witness of the Jewish belief centuries before Christ. To this day, Jews pray for their beloved dead. So do the Orthodox. But neither call the process of purification of the soul after death “purgatory” (Latin purgare: to cleanse, purify).

Peace be with you, Jim Dandy

 

[Godfollower]

I’ve been reading Revelations and I came across this passage,

11 Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them.
12
I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls.
13
The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. (New American Bible)

Does this passage point to purgatory? It’s interesting that the sea and hades gave up their dead and the “dead were judged according to their deeds”. I’m sure there are different ways of looking at this passage, but to me it suggests that there will be people who have died that are now being judged. At the very least it seems to support the idea of 1st and Final judgement. What do you think? I welcome both Catholic and Non- Catholic comments!

I don’t actually see this as supporting purgatory so much as refuting the claims of once-saved-always-saved and sola fide.