Does Satan hate himself?

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Does Satan hate himself?
If his nature is as such that it exists to serve Gods will, then yes, the Devil hates himself because he hates the will of God; and therefore he hates his nature and thus the purpose of his existence.
Does he know he screwed up?
It depends what you mean. He probably thinks that he is in some-way winning by manifesting his own will, and to manifest ones own will apart from God is to do the opposite of Gods nature. But ultimately the devil is frustrated because he knows that he exists by the very will of Gods nature and therefore can only go as far as to pervert his own nature but he can never be the God of it, and thus perhaps deep down in his impenetrable heart he knows that he has failed. In knowing this he turns his bitter eyes to humanity and seeks to drag them down to the same fate. But I don’t know what the devil thinks, since I can only think from the perspective of a human:shrug:. Who knows what the devil thinks, except God and the devil?
 
Although the Catholic Church teaches that no person is obligated to believe in private revelation, reading and contemplating on the private revelations of the saints, provided that these private revelations do not contradict church teaching, is used by many to strengthen their faith. Such it is is with “The Mystical City of God, The History and Life of The Blessed Virgin Mary” by the Venerable Mary of Vegrada. She provides an interesting ecstatic vision she had as to Satan’s rebellion and that of his angels here: sacredheart.com/The_Mystical_City_of_God_Book_01_Chapter_03.htm
I would say that this is a good theory. It has a ring of truth to it. I enjoyed reading it.
 
I don’t think Satan hates himself. I have been thinking about this question for a long time. There is no way to verify any answer one might offer, but here goes.

I think Satan hates God and has dedicated himself to being an enemy of God and all Creation. Perhaps Satan can never repent because he is so filled with undying hatred for God. I don’t think the devil is capable of love, even of loving himself, because he is pure evil, and evil cannot love. Why Satan chose to hate God and oppose His will is anybody’s guess. Obstinate pride, I suppose, of the sort we see in humans when they exhibit a self- destructive tendency to rebel against everything. Such a penchant for rebellion smacks of inferior intellect; so I think Satan, even before his fall from grace, was never really one of the brightest stars in heaven. It is said that misery loves company, and so Satan’s mission is to increase his empire by looking for rebels like himself and enlisting them in his service. There is a parallel in the world of humans. Did not Hitler, that complete advocate of evil, surround himself with humans bent on creating a living hell?
 
I don’t think Satan hates himself. I have been thinking about this question for a long time. There is no way to verify any answer one might offer, but here goes.
It depends in what context we use the word hate. Lets take a look at word “value”. We can use use the word in the self serving subjective sense of worshiping the self, as in determining ones own self worth irrespective of any objective truth about the matter. You often here or see people claiming or behaving as if they are better than other people, forcing there imagined sense of grandeur on to other people. Or we can look at the word in terms of its more humbling objective connotations, as in, it is a word that refers to something objective being the cause of ones value rather than one own self determining imagination. It is in this sense where i think we begin to catch a glimpse in to what it truly and objectively means to hate ones self, that to hate God necessarily involves hating ones self, even if the person doing the hating is not conscious of it. This is because if value is objective then value is determined by something other than ones subjective sense of self. To value ones self objectively and “correctly”, is to seek the greatest objective good for ones self; as in, one must seek the very thing that will fulfill ones existential nature. As creatures of God, our fulfillment, value, and worth, is determined by God. Therefore, in this context, to truly love ones self is to seek God; and to reject God is to hate oneself, since you are rejecting the very thing that gives you true moral value, worth, and personal fulfillment. A true person, angel, or self, is one that is preserved in the eternal grace of God. Those outside of that grace have rejected their true natures. Thus one can say that the devil hates himself, his true self, the fulfillment of his nature, because if he truly loved himself he would love God with all his heart, since it is in God that he is truly a person or angel. In hell, there are no true persons or angels in the sense of what person ought to be. The kind of self love that the devil has is not love at all but a perversion of his nature, in fact a contradiction. The devil is irrational. But you might say that the devil is more intelligent then us. But in end, it seems, even super intelligent angels can be victims of a distorted sense of self pride, since to have created conscious sense self is a temptation to be selfish. Pride is the cause of hell.
Why Satan chose to hate God and oppose His will is anybody’s guess. Obstinate pride, I suppose, of the sort we see in humans when they exhibit a self- destructive tendency to rebel against everything.
Yes, its pride. Pride makes one think that he or she is God, as in, the source of ones own glory. In having a self we are tempted to be our own Gods, and since God is love, this means that some of us desire or intend to be self serving, as in, selfish. The problem with that is, our very being is a manifestation of love and exists for the sole purpose of serving love for all eternity. Some people resent the idea of that.

But like you say, these are just theories and are far from giving a full explanation as to why the devil would fight a losing battle. We cannot really know whats going on in the mind of Satan; and i don’t want to know.

Some people, however irrational it may seem, think that it is far better to rule in hell than be a slave in heaven. The devil is a practical nihilist, as in, he does not want his actions to be ruled by an all powerful God.
 
Re-posting, because of spelling mistakes and missing words…

It depends in what context we use the word hate. Lets take a look at word “value”. We can use use the word in the self serving subjective sense of worshiping the self, as in determining ones own self worth irrespective of any objective truth about the matter. You often here or see people claiming or behaving as if they are better than other people, forcing there imagined sense of grandeur on to other people. Or we can look at the word in terms of its more humbling objective connotations, as in, it is a word that refers to something objective being the cause of ones value rather than one own self determining imagination. It is in this sense where i think we begin to catch a glimpse in to what it truly and objectively means to hate ones self, that to hate God necessarily involves hating ones self, even if the person doing the hating is not conscious of it. This is because if value is objective then value is determined by something other than ones subjective sense of self. To value ones self objectively and “correctly”, is to seek the greatest objective good for ones self; as in, one must seek the very thing that will fulfill ones existential nature. As creatures of God, our fulfillment, value, and worth, is determined by God. Therefore, in this context, to truly love ones self is to seek God; and to reject God is to hate ones self, since you are rejecting the very thing that gives you true moral value, worth, and personal fulfillment.

A true person, angel, or self, is one that is preserved in the eternal grace of God. Those conscious entities existing outside of Gods eternal grace have rejected their true natures and have thus rejected heaven. Thus one can say that the devil hates himself, as in his true self, the fulfillment of his nature, because if he truly loved himself he would love God with all his heart because it is in God that he is truly a “Person” or “Angel”, and an Angel is precisely what devil ought to be. In hell, there are no true persons or angels, at least not in the sense of what a person “ought to be”; that is the fulfillment of person-hood or angel-hood. To do evil is to be less than a person or an angel, because a true person or angel by definition is a servant of love. The kind of self love that the devil has is not love at all but a perversion of his nature, in fact a contradiction. The devil is irrational. But you might say that the devil is more intelligent then us. But in the end, it seems, even super intelligent angels can be victims of a distorted sense of self pride, since to have a "self " in the first place, is a temptation to be selfish. Pride is the cause of hell.
 
Some good and deep thoughts there.

Here’s one for you. We are told that God is love. Does God love Satan even though Satan chose eternal hatred of God?
 
Some good and deep thoughts there.

Here’s one for you. We are told that God is love. Does God love Satan even though Satan chose eternal hatred of God?
I would think that since God is pure love itself, He cannot be anything less than pure love. COULD He hate Satan? I imagine He could, yet it is not His nature to hate. Maybe He can’t do anything that opposes His nature. He might pity Satan and his minions, yet, it’s hard to understand how because God is above our human tendencies to feel various emotions.

A book I had read called Divine Love (I think) by Sr. Josepha Menendez answered this question by saying God in His Divine Mercy cannot hate the evildoer, even Satan. This holy nun would roam the levels of Hell making reparation for sins. She also carried Our Lord’s cross sometimes for hours.

I wonder if Adam and Eve had not sinned, would Jesus have become incarnate anyway?
 
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I would think that since God is pure love itself, He cannot be anything less than pure love. COULD He hate Satan? I imagine He could, yet it is not His nature to hate.

Agreed, God cannot hate, and why should he hate anything He created? But what attitude does God have toward Satan when he consigns him to hell for all eternity without a second chance, the second chance he gave the heirs of Adam and Eve? I wouldn’t call it pity.
 
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I would think that since God is pure love itself, He cannot be anything less than pure love. COULD He hate Satan? I imagine He could, yet it is not His nature to hate.

Agreed, God cannot hate, and why should he hate anything He created? But what attitude does God have toward Satan when he consigns him to hell for all eternity without a second chance, the second chance he gave the heirs of Adam and Eve? I wouldn’t call it pity.
Even more perplexing is the words “depart from me, I never knew you”. That’s scary.
 
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Even more perplexing is the words “depart from me, I never knew you”. That’s scary.

Since God is love, those who will not love cannot be in the presence of God, and can never claim to have truly known God. And God can claim with justice to have never known them. That is why they will remain in the outer darkness.
 
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I would think that since God is pure love itself, He cannot be anything less than pure love. COULD He hate Satan? I imagine He could, yet it is not His nature to hate.

Agreed, God cannot hate, and why should he hate anything He created? But what attitude does God have toward Satan when he consigns him to hell for all eternity without a second chance, the second chance he gave the heirs of Adam and Eve? I wouldn’t call it pity.
What “attitude” do you think He has toward Satan?

But it is in His nature to pity if you consider Jesus in His human form. Pity proceeds from His Divine Mercy. Yet, in His justice, He condemns. But just because He condemns someone to Hell, I don’t think it means He doesn’t pity his condition. However, with Satan, it becomes sticky. God in His Justice condemned this angel of “light” (Lucifer, the highest, most intelligent angel, and maybe the most beautiful–afterall, each angel is completely different from another like we humans; think of the various choirs of angels), but does that mean He represses His other attributes, “attitudes,” “emotions”? I really don’t know, and I can’t convey my thoughts on this very well, but I don’t think God can be without pity, love, goodness, mercy. It is said that His Mercy outweighs His justice. Like I said above, though, He is above any “human-type” emotion, so we can’t really understand the mind of God. 🤷
 
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It is said that His Mercy outweighs His justice.

Certainly not in the case of Satan. 😉
 
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It is said that His Mercy outweighs His justice.

Certainly not in the case of Satan. 😉
Yes, I agree with that, but I would think He has a sense of pity, maybe it’s not for Satan himself, but for what he caused that brought evil into the world. You’re right that God wouldn’t pity Satan for who he is.
 
It depends in what context we use the word hate. Lets take a look at word “value”. We can use use the word in the self serving subjective sense of worshiping the self, as in determining ones own self worth irrespective of any objective truth about the matter. You often here or see people claiming or behaving as if they are better than other people, forcing there imagined sense of grandeur on to other people. Or we can look at the word in terms of its more humbling objective connotations, as in, it is a word that refers to something objective being the cause of ones value rather than one own self determining imagination. It is in this sense where i think we begin to catch a glimpse in to what it truly and objectively means to hate ones self, that to hate God necessarily involves hating ones self, even if the person doing the hating is not conscious of it. This is because if value is objective then value is determined by something other than ones subjective sense of self. To value ones self objectively and “correctly”, is to seek the greatest objective good for ones self; as in, one must seek the very thing that will fulfill ones existential nature. As creatures of God, our fulfillment, value, and worth, is determined by God. Therefore, in this context, to truly love ones self is to seek God; and to reject God is to hate oneself, since you are rejecting the very thing that gives you true moral value, worth, and personal fulfillment. A true person, angel, or self, is one that is preserved in the eternal grace of God. Those outside of that grace have rejected their true natures. Thus one can say that the devil hates himself, his true self, the fulfillment of his nature, because if he truly loved himself he would love God with all his heart, since it is in God that he is truly a person or angel. In hell, there are no true persons or angels in the sense of what person ought to be. The kind of self love that the devil has is not love at all but a perversion of his nature, in fact a contradiction. The devil is irrational. But you might say that the devil is more intelligent then us. But in end, it seems, even super intelligent angels can be victims of a distorted sense of self pride, since to have created conscious sense self is a temptation to be selfish. Pride is the cause of hell.

Yes, its pride. Pride makes one think that he or she is God, as in, the source of ones own glory. In having a self we are tempted to be our own Gods, and since God is love, this means that some of us desire or intend to be self serving, as in, selfish. The problem with that is, our very being is a manifestation of love and exists for the sole purpose of serving love for all eternity. Some people resent the idea of that.

But like you say, these are just theories and are far from giving a full explanation as to why the devil would fight a losing battle. We cannot really know whats going on in the mind of Satan; and i don’t want to know.

Some people, however irrational it may seem, think that it is far better to rule in hell than be a slave in heaven. The devil is a practical nihilist, as in, he does not want his actions to be ruled by an all powerful God.
Satan is in no way proud of what he is, and what he is doing. He knows very well that he is fighting a losing battle, and that there is not much time left for him.
He is like a cancer cell that will surely die because of indisciplined and unbridled growth, which it achieves by infecting as many other healthy cells as possible before it dies, so that they will all come to his level and share the same fate. This is done out of ENVY rather than out of PRIDE.
SATAN HATES HIMSELF AND HIS POSITION, AND ENVIES MAN AND HIS RELATION WITH GOD
 
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