Does the Church align itself too close with our Political system?

[WilT]

As I work with the poor I’m finding more and more that Catholic assistance group align itself to close with city, state, and federal agencies. By doing so, it is making it impossible to get good services out to the poor and disadvantaged. This alignment imposes many rules and regulations that can be almost impossible for the regular man on the streets to pass. The Church needs to work free from these ties and with excellent personnel can do much greater job serving the poor and disenfranchised. Any one else notice this as well? Once again, this is my findings in my area so easy with the opposition.

 

[MarcoPolo]

This alignment imposes many rules and regulations that can be almost impossible for the regular man on the streets to pass.

What specific rules are blocking services to the poor?

 

[kenmiller]

I would say yes, specifically this is why the Pope keeps discussing global warming which is highly political

 

[SJacob7]

Yes, I think it does. But we have to remember, the Church has it’s own political system. The Vatican is a country. catholic.com/quickquestions/is-the-vatican-really-a-country

 

[WilT]

What specific rules are blocking services to the poor?

I’m sorry I’m getting timed out while writing a response. As it pertains to the homeless in our country.
request for i.d’s, passport, birth certificates, pass police scrutinies, and many others. Many have lost these items on their moves, left some behind or have had them stolen. For some they may say it’s not requesting much but for those on the streets it can be frustrating and difficult to do. Many therefore don’t and can’t take advantage of any assistance that can be offered. One person couldn’t get bus passes offered to 2 job interviews because they couldn’t prove the job interviews. For those having done job interviews will know it is impossible to do get this proof since many job searches are done online or through newspaper adds. He wasn’t given the pass. Another hindrance is that one must have a job to be considered for shelter. Huh! Most homeless don’t have financial means!
Some, especially those with a little experience with the homeless, will say it’s not asking so much.

 

[pianistclare]

I’m sorry I’m getting timed out while writing a response. As it pertains to the homeless in our country.
request for i.d’s, passport, birth certificates, pass police scrutinies, and many others. Many have lost these items on their moves, left some behind or have had them stolen. For some they may say it’s not requesting much but for those on the streets it can be frustrating and difficult to do. Many therefore don’t and can’t take advantage of any assistance that can be offered. One person couldn’t get bus passes offered to 2 job interviews because they couldn’t prove the job interviews. For those having done job interviews will know it is impossible to do get this proof since many job searches are done online or through newspaper adds. He wasn’t given the pass. Another hindrance is that one must have a job to be considered for shelter. Huh! Most homeless don’t have financial means!
Some, especially those with a little experience with the homeless, will say it’s not asking so much.

Ok, I guess I’m missing something. What has this got to with the church?
our parish and St. Vincent DePaul never ask for ID cards.
What agencies are you referring to?

 

[WilT]

Hi pianostclare, when I bring up issues on the homeless it is always of my Catholic experience of my area. I cannot bring up names of these facilities per CA rules. My experience may different than from your area.

 

[pianistclare]

Hi pianostclare, when I bring up issues on the homeless it is always of my Catholic experience of my area. I cannot bring up names of these facilities per CA rules. My experience may different than from your area.

Ok thanks. I enjoy your posts, btw.
:tiphat:

 

[manualman]

What specific rules are blocking services to the poor?

Exhibit A: Not so long ago, a young, destitute woman in a crisis pregnancy could go to a catholic run and funded agency and decide to give that child up for adoption on the assurance that the child would be placed in a loving catholic home with an adoptive mother and father.

Today in Illinois, catholic charities is banned from holding adoption agency licenses since we refuse to place children for adoption with gay parents on religious grounds.

That young woman today has largely lost the ability to choose life for her child, but have a reasonable assurance that the child will be raised in the beliefs of her birth mother. She has to simply give up the child to a faceless bureaucracy unless she is fortunate enough to already know someone who wants to adopt. Why? Power politics.

 

[TimothyH]

As I work with the poor I’m finding more and more that Catholic assistance group align itself to close with city, state, and federal agencies. By doing so, it is making it impossible to get good services out to the poor and disadvantaged. This alignment imposes many rules and regulations that can be almost impossible for the regular man on the streets to pass. The Church needs to work free from these ties and with excellent personnel can do much greater job serving the poor and disenfranchised. Any one else notice this as well? Once again, this is my findings in my area so easy with the opposition.

I agree with your analysis. You are bound by government rules and regulations the moment you take money from them.

The diocese of Washington DC was a perfect example. They took money from the federal government to place children with adoptive parents and in so doing were forced to obey federal regulations on placing children with homosexual couples. The whole thing escalated until the city government took away their license to operate as an adoption agency.

Once you take money from the government you have to obey their rules on just about every aspect of how you operate.

-Tim-

 

[WilT]

I agree with your analysis. You are bound by government rules and regulations the moment you take money from them.

The diocese of Washington DC was a perfect example. They took money from the federal government to place children with adoptive parents and in so doing were forced to obey federal regulations on placing children with homosexual couples. The whole thing escalated until the city government took away their license to operate as an adoption agency.

Once you take money from the government you have to obey their rules on just about every aspect of how you operate.

-Tim-

That’s what happens over here. When our Church get’s too cozy with Government it loses any freedom they may have had. I say it’s bad Christian practice. Sad to see.

 

[CatholicSheila]

Exhibit A: Not so long ago, a young, destitute woman in a crisis pregnancy could go to a catholic run and funded agency and decide to give that child up for adoption on the assurance that the child would be placed in a loving catholic home with an adoptive mother and father.

Today in Illinois, catholic charities is banned from holding adoption agency licenses since we refuse to place children for adoption with gay parents on religious grounds.

That young woman today has largely lost the ability to choose life for her child, but have a reasonable assurance that the child will be raised in the beliefs of her birth mother. She has to simply give up the child to a faceless bureaucracy unless she is fortunate enough to already know someone who wants to adopt. Why? Power politics.

She can’t use a Catholic adoptive service, but under the state services does she have absolutely no say in who adopts? Can’t she still say yes or no to the options they give her? Can’t she still request that only Catholic couples wanting to adopt be considered?

Or is it that she gives the child up essentially blind about where the child goes?

 

[manualman]

She can’t use a Catholic adoptive service, but under the state services does she have absolutely no say in who adopts? Can’t she still say yes or no to the options they give her? Can’t she still request that only Catholic couples wanting to adopt be considered?

Or is it that she gives the child up essentially blind about where the child goes?

There is still the option to conduct a private adoption if she can find a couple, I think. But catholic charities is no longer licensed even in those cases to do the legal paperwork to execute the adoption. Not just their funding but their LICENSE has been revoked.

I’m not certain, but pretty sure that if she just goes to a licensed agency today, they will give her a few couple profiles to choose from, but if the particular agent for some reason decides to ONLY give her gay couples to choose from, I think she’s stuck. I suppose she could walk out and try to find a reasonable agency, but ALL agencies are now required to be blind to whether the adopting couple is gay or not. Knowing the government, this will eventually manifest itself in unofficial quotas needing to be met to “prove” non-discrimination.