Does the fact that God created us and the world signify that he wasn't fully satisfied?

[Ben_Sinner]

Why would God create us and the world?

When someone creates something, it means there is something that needs improved. A need that hasn’t been filled yet.

If God is perfect in all his actions and Heaven is perfect satisfaction, why would it be necessary for him to create us?

 

[Faxero]

There is a nun-written book called 'The Mystical City of God’, which claims that God’s reasons for crafting Mankind and the angels have emotional aspects.

Namely, God is overflowing with love, to the extent where he, by compulsion, creates creatures such as Mankind and the angels, with the intention of having these species be receivers and spreaders of his love.

In other words, God created creation, including us and the Earth, because he feels the need to share his treasures, emotions, and secrets with other beings.

That’s how I interpreted the paragraph, anyhow. I forgot which chapter it was in, but I remember reading something among those lines.

'The Mystical City of God’ is a church-approved book, and it has been utilized by several popes. See this thread for reference: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=560795

 

[sugarcat]

As mysterious as the Trinity - a threefold unity of Love personified. But Love does require an object, correct? Wish I could remember where I read the Trinity thus described. But it makes me think overwhelming perfect Love would enjoy sharing Love with whatever creatures Love may then create. Just from human experience, enjoying sharing good news and joy with the next person you run into, imho

 

[midori]

When someone creates something, it means there is something that needs improved. A need that hasn’t been filled yet.

Not necessarily. I create things all the time— I write a story, I paint a picture-- not because the world is incomplete without them, but because they give me satisfaction to do so.

If God is perfect in all his actions and Heaven is perfect satisfaction, why would it be necessary for him to create us?

God is complete in and of himself. He doesn’t need creation in order to be better than he is— but is it not in his nature to be generous? If he creates the world in order to have a place and a people to distribute his gifts and graces to, is it not merciful and loving?

 

[pianistclare]

Not necessarily. I create things all the time— I write a story, I paint a picture-- not because the world is incomplete without them, but because they give me satisfaction to do so.

God is complete in and of himself. He doesn’t need creation in order to be better than he is— but is it not in his nature to be generous? If he creates the world in order to have a place and a people to distribute his gifts and graces to, is it not merciful and loving?

Great answer!

 

[mikekle]

God clearly said he regretted creating mankind…

**Genesis 6:6,The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
**

Plus, we are not his first try either, if you look at some verses, he tells us all of this has happened before

 

[vz71]

God clearly said he regretted creating mankind…

**Genesis 6:6,The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
**

Plus, we are not his first try either, if you look at some verses, he tells us all of this has happened before

Really?

What verses do you refer to?

 

[mikekle]

Really?

What verses do you refer to?

Ecclesiastes 1:9 – 1:10:

9 That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. 10 Is there anything of which one might say, “See this, it is new “? Already it has existed for ages Which were before us.

 

[Richca]

Why would God create us and the world?

When someone creates something, it means there is something that needs improved. A need that hasn’t been filled yet.

If God is perfect in all his actions and Heaven is perfect satisfaction, why would it be necessary for him to create us?

The fact is that it was not necessary for God to create for He created with absolute freedom of counsel and free from all necessity (CCC#293, Vatican Council I). God did not create the world of creatures in order to increase his happiness or to obtain happiness. He is supremely happy in himself and from himself (Vatican Council I). We can gather an understanding of this if we consider that before God created either the angels or the corporeal world, He existed from all eternity by Himself in the communion of the three divine persons. God created us “not to increase His glory, but to show it forth and to communicate it” (CCC#293).

 

[fisherman_carl]

Why would God create us and the world?

When someone creates something, it means there is something that needs improved. A need that hasn’t been filled yet.

If God is perfect in all his actions and Heaven is perfect satisfaction, why would it be necessary for him to create us?

When a painter paints a picture of a majestic scene like a mountain scape or a sunset does he do it to improve himself or to capture the beauty that he sees and put that vision into his painting? It seems to me God had a vision that goes beyond himself, that involved creating us. As beautiful as a mountain side or a sunset is, it can not think or love like humans can. The universe is grand. But not as grand as the human mind. A star for instance can be huge but it can not consider anything. You can never have a relationship with it. It is not a person. Which goes to show just how precious we are in God’s sight.

When it comes to needs and God we can say that metaphysically God is self sufficient being eternal. Being eternal he must be a necessarily existing being. And, thus is fully self sufficient as well as the source of all that exists. But even if he doesn’t need anything being self sufficient does that mean he doesn’t have any desires? I don’t see why not? For instant he desires that all will be saved Scripture says. So I don’t see why his desire would not be a factor in creating us. His desire to express his vision. His desire to create his vision and love his creation.

If we think of God as a painter, since he created us in his image, when he made us it was like he was painting himself except in a limited medium. Since we are so limited compared to God. The image of God that is perfect and unlimited is his Son. His Son being like a perfect photographic image, whereas we are more like water colors.

 

[fisherman_carl]

If we think of of God as perfection, the greatest conceivable being, then there could be nothing better to paint than God himself. Any mountain would pale in comparison. Thus, the highest vision is nothing less than God himself. And we are painted to capture that vision being created in his image.

 

[JapaneseKappa]

Not necessarily. I create things all the time— I write a story, I paint a picture-- not because the world is incomplete without them, but because they give me satisfaction to do so.

God is complete in and of himself. He doesn’t need creation in order to be better than he is— but is it not in his nature to be generous? If he creates the world in order to have a place and a people to distribute his gifts and graces to, is it not merciful and loving?

Sure, but God is often cited as an explainer of the question “why is there this world, instead of some other one?” If God had no real need or motivation to create this world, then he isn’t a very good explainer. In other words, we can certainly say: the reason we have this world instead of some other one is that God created this one! But we can then ask “Why did God create this world instead of some other one?” I don’t think that your response, that paints God as a sort of whimsical artist, allows us to answer that question.

 

[roseproject]

Over the summer, I started the hobby of creating giant bubbles (like these…youtube.com/watch?v=3i-zYdOPG2k). When I was able to achieve bubbles this size, it brought me great joy! This enjoyment I felt was so great, that I felt the need to show someone! Not because I wanted to show off but because I wanted to spread this happiness around to others. I went to the park with a few of my sibs to create these bubbles. It attracted lots of people, both kids and adults, and we made a lot of people happy that day.

Maybe God just wanted SOMEONE to experience the happiness He experiences always. He didn’t need to, but it was His desire.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

Could God create anything greater than children in his own image?

Could God love each and everyone of us as he loves himself?

Can there be any greater purpose for the universe to exist?