Does the host contain both Jesus and Mary?

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Verbum Caro:
Even though the Eucharist is a mystery, it is not a muddle. We can rationally speak of this mystery, and adore.
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Very well put. One thing to keep in mind is that if Mary is substantially present in the Eucharist then Eucharistic Adoration is idolatry, plain and simple. The only Being we can adore is God, so if Mary is in the Eucharist we would nessecarily be adoring her as well.

I fully believe that Mary is present at the celebration of the mass, just like all the other Saints (Hebews 12:1 says that we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses). But to say that Mary is in the Eucharist is dangerous and approaches Collyridianism .
 
Dear tuopaulo,
I think you are mixing up the Eucharist with the Real Presence of Christ in the sacrament.
As VC as succintly expounded on in the above posts, it is in the Eucharist(or mass) that we are united with Mary, and all the saints, in partcipating in theo ffering of the one sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. Indeed as you state, the whole of heaven participates in the offering.
However, in the sacrament, Christ becomes really and truly present under the form of bread and wine. Only Christ-no Mary, no saints, no angels. And it is CHRIST whom we receive when we receive communion. To say otherwise would be blasphemous.
In short, we are not united with Mary by receiving her in the sacrament but by offering it along with her.
As a side note, I have read that this theory of Mary being present in the sacrament was (I do not know now) taught in the schismatical(and probably heretical) “Palmarian Catholic Church” in their catechism under the late “Pope Gregory XVII”.
God Bless you 🙂
 
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CyberSaint:
If Jesus got his humanity from his mother, and the host becomes his body, isn’t the host also the body of his mother, Mary? And for that matter, of every descendant of his back to Adam?

Related to this, is the body of Jesus the actual flesh of him, as in his DNA?
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My body is distinct from my mother’s body, so I suppose Jesus’ body is distinct from his mother’s body.

Yes, the body of Jesus is the actual flesh of him. I don’t know what you mean with regard to DNA, though. Did he have DNA? Don’t all humans have DNA?
 
Verbum Caro:
The Consecrated Host is not the body of Mary just as I am not the body of my earthly mother.
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itsjustdave1988:
My body is distinct from my mother’s body, so I suppose Jesus’ body is distinct from his mother’s body.
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Dave, I expect a royalty check in the mail. 😃 👍

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Sean O L:
CyberSaint wrote:

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JimG replied:

So, just to explain a little further:
Yes! In receiving Our Lord, Jesus Christ, His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - we DO receive the Father and the Holy Spirit, for the Divinity is the undivided Divinity of GOD - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For, Jesus said: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.
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But we don’t recieve the person’s the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Same way we are recieving Jesus.
 
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Topher:
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Originally Posted by Sean O L
CyberSaint wrote:
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JimG replied:

So, just to explain a little further:
Yes! In receiving Our Lord, Jesus Christ, His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity - we DO receive the Father and the Holy Spirit, for the Divinity is the undivided Divinity of GOD - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. For, Jesus said: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30.

But we don’t recieve the person’s the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Same way we are recieving Jesus.
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Actually, that wasn’t my reply! But I’ll comment anyway. They key fact of the Eucharist is the real presence of Jesus: body and blood, soul and divinity, Jesus in His entirety, not divided.

We do of course receive the indwelling of the Holy Trinity as well, but we receive the indwelling of the Trinity in Baptism, Confirmation, and any sacrament. It is an aspect of sanctifying grace. But it is not the type of real presence we are thinking of when we speak of the Eucharist.
 
I asked a priest to explain John Paul II’s letter to me. This is his response:

John Paul II did not say that Mary is present in the Host. He says that the Body of Christ was formed in the body (womb) of Mary. Since the Eucharist is truly the Body of Christ, it too traces its origin back to Mary. That’s what the Pope meant when he said, poetically, that the Eucharist “has in itself, as fragrant Bread, the taste and aroma of the Virgin Mother.” Because Jesus came from Mary, His Body always has this connection to His Mother. The connection, not Mary, is present in the Eucharist.
Because the Mass makes present also the sacrificial death of Christ on the Cross, it also makes present Mary’s offering of her Son to the Father when she stood beneath the Cross. We are closely united to Mary (and to all the members of Christ’s Body in heaven and on earth) at every Mass.
 
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CyberSaint:
If Jesus got his humanity from his mother, and the host becomes his body, isn’t the host also the body of his mother, Mary? And for that matter, of every descendant of his back to Adam?

Related to this, is the body of Jesus the actual flesh of him, as in his DNA?
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Get a Bible.
 
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