Does Transubstantiation define a "moment" when consecration occurs?

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I believe St. Thomas (going from memory here) said that at a minimum the words “This is My body/blood” must be said in order for a valid consecration to take place. However, during the course of the mass, does the Church define a certain “moment” this occurs? Or would it be the entire epiclesis through the words of consecration?

The Council of Trent said:*But since Christ our Redeemer declared that to be truly His own body which He offered under the form of bread, it has, therefore, always been a firm belief in the Church of God, and this holy council now declares it anew, that by the consecration of the bread and wine a change is brought about of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood. This change the holy Catholic Church properly and appropriately calls transubstantiation.*This does not seem to include as part of the term Transubstantiation “when” the change occurs, but rather that the change is properly called Transubstantiation.

Has the Church elsewhere, either as part of clarifying Transubstantiation or elsewhere defined an isolated moment during mass when consecration occurs? It would seem the Church does not as indicated by the duration of kneeling.
 
This is from the Catechism:

1377 The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist.

VC
 
The theology of eucharist reflected in the Code of Canon Law has been challenged by the approval of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari by Syriac Catholics. This eucharistic liturgy does not include the words of institution, which have been held traditionally to be the “moment” when the bread and wine became the Body and Blood of Christ. In fact, a number of prominent Roman Catholic theologians today think that there may not be a single moment that can be defined as the point at which the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. They note that while the western Church points to the Words of Institution, Orthodox favor the epiclesis, the invocation of the Holy Spirit, as that “moment.”

I have quoted below information from Wikipedia regarding the Anaphora of Addai and Mari:

The Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari belongs to the East Syrian liturgical family (see Syriac Christianity) and is in regular use in the Assyrian Church of the East, the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church and the Chaldean Catholic Church. Saint Addai (disciple of Saint Thomas the Apostle) and Saint Mari (a disciple of Saint Addai) are credited with having written it. The Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari is one of the oldest Eucharistic prayers in the Christian Church, possibly dating back to 3rd-century Edessa.

The Eucharistic Liturgy has three forms: the most solemn form known as the Raza, the solemn and the simple form.

One of the special features of the Eucharist Prayer is the presence of four long prayers known as the Gehantha, which are, according to many Eucharistic scholars, the closest forms of prayer to the Jewish Prayers over the meals.

Church of the East’s Practice

The anaphora of Addai and Mari has been in continuous use in the Church of the East since at least the 7th century without the words of institution. The rite seems to have derived from Edessa, and the outline of the current form can be traced as far back as the time of the Patriarch Mar Isho-yab III in the seventh century. It is disputed whether the words of institution had been in the original version, cut out, perhaps, by Isho’yab III. In the course of the anaphora, prayers of praise known as “Ghanatha” (from the verb “ghan”, bow) are said in a low voice by the celebrant. Hymns by Saint Ephrem and others are often sung during the communion. A piece of dough from the eucharistic bread is saved from week to week, not as reserve sacrament but as leaven for the next week’s bread.

Current Catholic Position

In its pure form, this anaphora does not include the Words of Institution, a matter that raised ecumenical concerns, because, since the time of Peter Lombard, the prevailing theology in the West considered the Words of Institution to be essential to the validity of the sacred mystery. Nevertheless, the Holy See declared on 20 July 2001 that the Anaphora of Addai and Mari can be considered valid. Three reasons were given for this judgment. First, the Anaphora of Addai and Mari dates back to the early Church. Secondly, the Church of the East has otherwise preserved the orthodox faith in regard to the Eucharist and Holy Orders. And finally, though the Words of Institution are not spoken expressly, their meaning is present: “The words of Eucharistic Institution are indeed present in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, not in a coherent narrative way and ad litteram, but rather in a dispersed euchological way, that is, integrated in successive prayers of thanksgiving, praise and intercession”. The anaphora contains, for instance, the declaration: “The body of Christ and his precious blood are on the holy altar.” This has been compared to the Eastern Orthodox Church declaratory formula for absolution: “The servant of God N. is absolved”, in contrast to the Western “I absolve thee”. A similar contrast is found in the Eastern and Western formulas for baptism.

Though this decision by the Catholic Church is arguably not irreformable, it is of undoubted ecumenical importance.

Chaldean Catholics, who also use this anaphora, have traditionally inserted the Words of Institution into it; they are now beginning to cease adding this interpolation.

Traditionalist Catholic reaction

Some Traditionalist Catholic groups have denounced this decision as heretical. They argue that it completely overthrows the sacramental theology ratified by the Council of Trent according to their understanding, of the three elements necessary for a sacrament - the matter, the form, and the intention of the priest to do what the Church does - the form, which in this case is the words of institution, “For this is my Body” recited over the bread, and “For this is the cup of my Blood” over the wine, is wanting. They reject the statement by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity that the words of the institution of the Eucharist are in fact present in a euchological and disseminated manner.
 
HI Alan,

It’s a complex issue, to be sure. Personally, I don’t see that the approval of the Anaphora would necessarily mean that in the Latin Rite the words of consecration aren’t the moment of consecration. That could be an important point.
In fact, a number of prominent Roman Catholic theologians today think that there may not be a single moment that can be defined as the point at which the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.
Could you share who you have in mind?

Thanks,
VC
 
the Holy See declared on 20 July 2001 that the Anaphora of Addai and Mari can be considered valid. …They reject the statement by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity that the words of the institution of the Eucharist are in fact present in a euchological and disseminated manner.
Is what was stated on July 20, 2001 the same as what you refer to as the statement by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity?

I also second Verbum’s question to you.
 
This is from the Catechism:

1377 The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist.
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Thanks for posting this. Still, when is the “moment”? Is the moment begun and ended at the same time or is the moment rather the completion? i.e. begun at the epiclesis when we kneel and completed after the “This is My body” language?—similar to how the Paschal mystery is not reducible to just the Agony in the Garden or Carrying of the Cross or Crucifixion or Death, but rather all the parts form a singular event.​
 
Sorry – I’m not sure I’ll be able to point to specific theologians since my books are all in storage after a recent move. Also, please note that I’m not arguing against official Catholic teaching, which I accept.
 
I believe St. Thomas (going from memory here) said that at a minimum the words “This is My body/blood” must be said in order for a valid consecration to take place. However, during the course of the mass, does the Church define a certain “moment” this occurs? Or would it be the entire epiclesis through the words of consecration?
The Eastern Catholic Churches Sui Juris hold that the epiclesis is when the mystery of The Holy Eucharist occurs.
 
I believe St. Thomas (going from memory here) said that at a minimum the words “This is My body/blood” must be said in order for a valid consecration to take place. However, during the course of the mass, does the Church define a certain “moment” this occurs? Or would it be the entire epiclesis through the words of consecration?

The Council of Trent said:But since Christ our Redeemer declared that to be truly His own body which He offered under the form of bread, it has, therefore, always been a firm belief in the Church of God, and this holy council now declares it anew, that by the consecration of the bread and wine a change is brought about of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood. This change the holy Catholic Church properly and appropriately calls transubstantiation.This does not seem to include as part of the term Transubstantiation “when” the change occurs, but rather that the change is properly called Transubstantiation.

Has the Church elsewhere, either as part of clarifying Transubstantiation or elsewhere defined an isolated moment during mass when consecration occurs? It would seem the Church does not as indicated by the duration of kneeling.
In many of the ancient liturgies there is to be found a prayer known as the epiclesis or invocation which, on account of its form and its position, has been a difficulty to many and has led some astray. For whereas it is regularly placed after the words of institution, “This is my body,” and the rest, it takes the form of a petition to the Holy Trinity, or in many cases to the Holy Spirit, that by the power of God the bread may become the body of Christ and the wine his blood. Hence arises the question, which are the effective words that act as the instrument of God’s power to change the bread into Christ’s body, the wine into his blood? The Catholic Church hold defintely that transubstantiation is effected by Christ’s words, the words of institution, as is clear from the fact that in the Roman Mass there is no true epiclesis, and from her rubric directing the priest to kneel and adore the consecrated host as soon as the words of consecration, “This is my body,” have been said; and consequently, Catholic theologians teach that the sacrifice in all essentials is complete as soon as the words of institution have been pronounced over the chalice, that is, as soon as the twofold consecration of the bread and wine has taken place.

Yet it must be added that, although the words of institution alone are operative in effecting transubstantiation and they alone, therefore, contain and embrace the essential elements of the sacrifice, it must not be inferred that the invocation, or indeed any of the prayers that make up the Canon of the Mass are superfluous or unneccesary. The whole of the Canon is the expression in words and actions of various aspects of the one sacrificial act which takes but a moment of time. But, owing to the very nature of words and gestures, dramatic expression must be extended through time, and the proper time relationship of the momentary act to its outward expression must inevitably be obscurred, or even seem to be inverted. What has not yet happened must be spoken of as present, what is past must be expressed as still to come.
 
Tomster, great post. Many sentiments in there that reflect what I understand. Epiclesis is good to bring up because yesterday, it was the Epiklesis article from the Catholic Encyclopedia (for what it’s worth) that provided a description of what I am asking here about a “moment.” The official Euchologion of the Orthodox Church has a note after the words of Institution to explain that: “Since the demonstrative pronouns: This is my body, and again: This is my blood, do not refer to the Offerings that are present, but to those which Jesus, taking in His hands and blessing, gave to His Disciples; therefore those words of the Lord are repeated as a narrative [diegematikos], and consequently it is superfluous to show the Offerings (by an elevation) and indeed contrary to the right mind of the Eastern Church of Christ” (ed. Venice, 1898, p. 63). This would seem to imply that Christ’s words have no part in the form of the sacrament. On the other hand Dositheus in the Synod of Jerusalem (1672) apparently requires both words of Institution and Epiklesis: “It [the Holy Eucharist] is instituted by the essential word [remati uparktiko, i.e. Christ’s word] and sanctified by the invocation of the Holy Ghost” (Conf. Dosithei, in Kimmel, op. cit., I, 451), and this seems to be the common theory among the Orthodox in our time. Their arguments for the necessity of the Epiklesis as at any rate the perfecting part of the form are:
  • that the context shows the words of Institution to be used only as a narrative;
  • that otherwise the Epiklesis would be superfluous and deceptive: its very form shows that it consecrates; tradition.
The first and second points are not difficult to answer. The words of Institution are certainly used historically (“qui pridi quam pateretur, sumpsit panem…ac dixit: hoc est enim corpus meum,” as well as all Eastern forms, is an historical account of what happened at the Last Supper); but this is no proof that they may not be used effectively and with actual meaning too. Given the intention of so doing, they necessarily would be so used. The second point is already answered above: the succession of time in sacramental prayers necessarily involves nothing but a dramatic representation of what presumably really takes place in one instant (this point is further evolved by Fortescue, “The Orth. Eastern Church,” pp. 387 sq.). As for tradition, in any case it is only a question of Eastern tradition. In the West there has been a great unanimity in speaking of the words of Institution as consecrating, especially since St. Augustine; and the disappearance of any real Epiklesis in our Liturgy confirms this. Among Eastern Fathers there is less unanimity. Some, notably St. Cyril of Jerusalem, refer the consecration to the action of the Holy Ghost in a way that seems to imply that the Epiklesis is the moment (St. Cyril, Cat. xix, 7; xxi, 3; xxiii, 7, 19; cf. Basil, On the Holy Spirit 27 sqq.); others, as St. John Chrysostom (Hom. i, De prod. Iudæ, 6: “He [Christ] says: This is my body. This word changes the offering”; cf. Hom. ii, in II Tim. i), quite plainly refer Consecration to Christ’s words. It should be noted that these Fathers were concerned to defend the Real Presence, not to explain the moment at which it began, that they always thought of the whole Eucharistic prayer as one form, containing both Christ’s words and the Invocation, and that a statement that the change takes place by the power of the Holy Ghost does not necessarily show that the writer attaches that change to this special prayer. For instance St. Irenæus says that “the bread which receives the Invocation of God is not common bread, but a Eucharist” (Against Heresies IV.18.5), and, yet immediately before (IV.18.4), he explains that that bread is the Body of Christ over which the earlier part of the Anaphora is said. The final argument against the Epiklesis as Consecration-form is the account of the Last Supper in the Gospels. We know what Christ did then, and that He told us to do the same thing. There is no hint of an Epiklesis at the Last Supper.
It may finally be noted that later, in the West too (since the sixteenth century especially), this question aroused some not very important discussion. The Dominican Ambrose Catharinus (sixteenth century) thought that our Consecration takes place at an Epiklesis that precedes the recital of Christ’s words. This Epiklesis he thinks to be the prayer “Quam oblationem.” A few others (including Renaudot) more or less shared his opinion. Against these Hoppe (op. cit. infra) showed that in any case the Epiklesis always follows the words of Institution and that our “Quam Oblationem” cannot be considered one at all. He and others suggest a mitigated theory, according to which the Invocation (in our case the “Supplice te rogamus”) belongs not to the essence of the sacrament, but in some way to its (accidental) integrity. John of Torquemada at the Council of Florence (Hardouin IX, 976), Francisco Suárez (De Sacram., disp. lviii, 3), Bellarmine (De Euch., iv, 14), Lugo (De Euch., disp. xi, 1) explain that the Invocation of the Holy Ghost is made rather that He may sanctify our reception of the Holy Eucharist. This is a theoretical explanation sought out to account for the fact of the Epiklesis, without giving up our insistence on the words of Institution as alone consecrating. Historically and according to the text of the old invocations they must rather be looked upon as dramatically postponed expressions of what happens at one moment.I admit, this explanation was a little confusing at times, but it seems there is no dogmatic declaration of a singular “moment” when consecration must occur, although you do have great liturgical saints like St. John Chrysostom who consider the change to occur at the words of “This is My body.”
 
Also, does anyone know what is meant by the reference to St. John Chrysostom’s “Hom. i, De prod. Iudæ, 6” ??? Which homily is that in English words??
 
Also, does anyone know what is meant by the reference to St. John Chrysostom’s “Hom. i, De prod. Iudæ, 6” ??? Which homily is that in English words??
Apparently it’s from his homily on the Betrayal of Judas (1:6). Still trying to find it online…
 
Marco,

Actually, if you check the canons of the Council of Trent I believe you will find that the Council formaly declared that the words of institution and not the epiclesis are the determing points of the consecration.
 
Marco,

Actually, if you check the canons of the Council of Trent I believe you will find that the Council formaly declared that the words of institution and not the epiclesis are the determing points of the consecration.
I did not see that keyword searching session 13. Is it somewhere else in the complete text?
 
Transubstantiation does occur at a particular instant (after the priest speaks the words of the consecration; cf. IIIª q. 75 a. 7Summa Theologiae); the sacrificial nature of the Mass, however, cannot be reduced to a duration after a certain moment.
 
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