Draft of English Translation of Missal Completed [via EWTN]

[Catholic_Press]

CNA STAFF, Oct 31, 2007 (CNA).- The Confraternity of Catholic Clergy voiced its support for a literal and accurate English translation of the 2000 Rom…

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[Catholic_Press]

Leeds, Nov 1, 2007 (CNA).- The International Commission on English in the Liturgy (ICEL) is releasing the draft of the English translation of the thir…

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[havemercy]

I hope this is at least decent.

 

[marci]

It always amazes me how some groups object to what is truth. Why is a literal translation something to be feared? Perhaps the “uneducated” laity might learn something other than what they have been fed for so long. I think that they are afraid the laity will understand exactly what the translations mean.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Is the text available online?

 

[benedictgal]

Last year, a vendor named “sacerdote” had a “bootleg” copy of the new translation on ebay. From what I could read ot it, the translations are praiseworthy and do follow “Liturgicam Authenticam.” Leave it to the USCCB to want to ruin things, though.

 

[BobP123]

Leave it to the USCCB to want to ruin things, though.

Perhaps they have a point. Does one really expect the congregation to reply “And with your spirit” enthusiastically the first time after 40 years of “and also with you” conditioning?

 

[bpbasilphx]

<<“And with your spirit” enthusiastically the first time after 40 years of “and also with you”>>

Actually, that’s only been since 1970 or so.

Before that, they said, “And with your spirit.”

They’ll catch on.

 

[Brendan]

Perhaps they have a point. Does one really expect the congregation to reply “And with your spirit” enthusiastically the first time after 40 years of “and also with you” conditioning?

Why not? They certainly expected them to change to saying “Et cum spiritu tuo” to then saying “And also with you” pretty much overnight.

 

[Asperges_Me]

Perhaps they have a point. Does one really expect the congregation to reply “And with your spirit” enthusiastically the first time after 40 years of “and also with you” conditioning?

Enthusiastically or not, as long as they say it, it will be beneficial in the long run. Finally, many of the errors (or at least liberties) in the present translation will be corrected. And a more historically Catholic understanding of the Mass will be available to the faithful.

Ironically, I think that the very same people who stressed obedience when all kinds of other changes were being forced on the people will be the same ones resisiting this particular change. Everyone should accept the new translations with obedience as in all other things Catholic.

 

[Corki]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in those parishes that have done away with missals/missalettes so that everyone listens instead of reads.

 

[James0235]

Is the text available online?

Yes, it is available online. But, I am a little hesitant to provide a link right now.

The problem is that ICEL is going after any person who provides the new translation on their websites. Here is a letter from the Associate Executive Director of ICEL to a priest in England who published the texts.

ICEL is using the excuse that publishing the new translation is a violalation of their copyright. They do not want anyone to have access to an accurate, faithful translation of the Mass. This is the same group that deliberately, intentionally (and I believe diabolically) mistranslated the Mass in the first place. This is the group that removed references to the Spirit, to angels, to Saints. They rewrote prayers to remove reference to sin.

They have been forced to correctly translate the Mass this time. And there is no reason to believe that they will not fight to delay it as much as possible.

That is why I am hesitant right now to post a link to the only website I know off that top of my head that still provides the draft translation. If anyone from ICEL finds out about it they will have it removed.

James

 

[BobP123]

<<“And with your spirit” enthusiastically the first time after 40 years of “and also with you”>>

Actually, that’s only been since 1970 or so.

Before that, they said, “And with your spirit.”

They’ll catch on.

And hope they don’t freak out when they hear the real words of Consecration.

Ironically, I think that the very same people who stressed obedience when all kinds of other changes were being forced on the people will be the same ones resisiting this particular change.

We’re already seeing a massive resistance against the Pope’s Motu Proprio by those that erroneously accused all those attending the TLM as having been disobedient. They’ll probably resist anything that is Latin-based.

 

[Corki]

And hope they don’t freak out when they hear the real words of Consecration.

Personally, I think the one that will ruffle the most feathers is using “I” instead of “we” in the Nicene creed.

 

[Asperges_Me]

Personally, I think the one that will ruffle the most feathers is using “I” instead of “we” in the Nicene creed.

I very respectfully disagree. I think it will be when “for all” is dropped in favor of “for many” or “for the multitudes” or whatever is finally chosen. That will cause howls of uproar.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

I very respectfully disagree. I think it will be when “for all” is dropped in favor of “for many” or “for the multitudes” or whatever is finally chosen. That will cause howls of uproar.

“For the multitudes” seems to have the same meaning as “for all”, or at least it can be interpreted that way. It can be understood either way, for all, or for many. If they go with that I bet no one will really care.

 

[mdgspencer]

You are right, ICEL was a problem. However, big changes were made in its membership after they openly refused to follow Vatican directives of several years ago about how the mass should be translated into English. The head of ICEL was fired, the mass translation they just had prepared was thrown out, and a faithful bishop was put in charge, and after this the Vatican closely supervised the translation made and which now is coming into effect. Thank God the ICEL that had existed is no longer around.

Yes, it is available online. But, I am a little hesitant to provide a link right now.

The problem is that ICEL is going after any person who provides the new translation on their websites. Here is a letter from the Associate Executive Director of ICEL to a priest in England who published the texts.

ICEL is using the excuse that publishing the new translation is a violalation of their copyright. They do not want anyone to have access to an accurate, faithful translation of the Mass. This is the same group that deliberately, intentionally (and I believe diabolically) mistranslated the Mass in the first place. This is the group that removed references to the Spirit, to angels, to Saints. They rewrote prayers to remove reference to sin.

They have been forced to correctly translate the Mass this time. And there is no reason to believe that they will not fight to delay it as much as possible.

That is why I am hesitant right now to post a link to the only website I know off that top of my head that still provides the draft translation. If anyone from ICEL finds out about it they will have it removed.

James