Drama at Fatima

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If you check out many other threads on Fatima on this forum, and over at apologetics, you will learn that this website is run by a suspended priest.
 
I am faithful to the Holy Father, and I know SSPX are schismatic - but why on earth are Hindus praying at Fatima??

I am all for ecumenical dialog - but I cant help feel this is all wrong.

Even more disturbing - a quote from the following article from “Hindu Press International” dated June 15 2004 would seem to indicate a plan to make Fatima a “multi-faith centre”…“Now, however, we can report that the first steps in **developing Fatima as a multi-faith centre **could have been taken. On May 5th, SIC and SIC Noticias carried a report on a Hindu religious service held in the Chapel of the Apparitions at the shrine.”

hinduismtoday.com/hpi/2004/6/15.shtml#6

(see item 6 in the above link)

What is going on???

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Maybe a Hindu will convert on account of it, and thats a good thing.
 
I hear you Ted, but this just seems downright sacriligeous to me.

It is true that one or two pagans may convert, but the Church teaches that “the end does not always justify the means”…

**CC 1753 **A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).

… and it is of course sinful to allow pagans to pray at the table of Our Lord…

**CC 2287 **Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!”

Our Lady of Fatima asked for us to pray and make penance for the conversion of sinners, she never asked for pagans to pray to their false gods at Fatima.

Why are we allowing this? :banghead:
 
Yeah, maybe a hindu will convert, who knows? but the desecration
was deplorable! They should NOT turn it into a multi faith center! :mad: It is Catholic! I agree with the SSPX on this like the other poster does!
 
I have found this communique from the rector of Fatima re: this thread…

fatima-petitions.com/echoes/echoes1.html

Re: items 5 & 6,8 - I’m not happy with a hindu priest and pilgrims “praying to Our Lady”, in a Chapel - even if they call her “the Most Holy Mother”. As pagans - their interpretation of what this term actually means is ill-informed - and their prayers/actions can only be sacriligeous.

Again - I am not SSPX or schismatic etc. - I am obedient to Rome, I would never oppose any episcopal, CDF or papal declaration on this topic - but I have yet to come across one - if anyone knows of one please post a link!

I dont have a problem with pagans and people of other faiths coming to visit Fatima and meditate on what has happened there, but they should NOT be allowed to pray to their false gods in the sanctuary, think of poor Jesus in the tabernacle :hmmm:.
 
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deekod1967:
I have found this communique from the rector of Fatima re: this thread…

fatima-petitions.com/echoes/echoes1.html

Re: items 5 & 6,8 - I’m not happy with a hindu priest and pilgrims “praying to Our Lady”, in a Chapel - even if they call her “the Most Holy Mother”. As pagans - their interpretation of what this term actually means is ill-informed - and their prayers/actions can only be sacriligeous.

Again - I am not SSPX or schismatic etc. - I am obedient to Rome, I would never oppose any episcopal, CDF or papal declaration on this topic - but I have yet to come across one - if anyone knows of one please post a link!

I dont have a problem with pagans and people of other faiths coming to visit Fatima and meditate on what has happened there, but they should NOT be allowed to pray to their false gods in the sanctuary, think of poor Jesus in the tabernacle :hmmm:.
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Iam not an SSPX, but I agree with you as well.
 
Here is another related article I have found, and written by a well-respected catholic author, I have read two of his books and they are very good…

fatimafamily.org/news/hindus.html

Timoth states his case well, but unfortunately he has not tackled the “knub” of the issue - in light of their ill-informed coscience, how can any pagan praying in a Chapel to Our Lady be anything but sacriligeous?

I still dont get it! :nope:
 
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deekod1967:
Here is another related article I have found, and written by a well-respected catholic author, I have read two of his books and they are very good…

fatimafamily.org/news/hindus.html

Timoth states his case well, but unfortunately he has not tackled the “knub” of the issue - in light of their ill-informed coscience, how can any pagan praying in a Chapel to Our Lady be anything but sacriligeous?

I still dont get it! :nope:
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Well, neither do I. :mad:
 
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Marilena:
I was really surprised when I read this article!

fatima.org/news/newsviews/dramaatfatima.asp
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Then I would avoid reading polemnical writings by radical traditionalist (and suspended) priests who can’t be trusted to to relay the objective truth. I’ve yet to read an objective article by an objective agency that relates this Hindu story. Thus, I consign it to the dust bin with same story that the old Holy Father took part in a Hindu ceremony by having that mark put on his forehead by a Indian woman (she was a Catholic woman from India, not a Hindu at all, and the mark was a traditional greeting extended by all Indians, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, whatever…do the radical traditionalists bother to tell us that? No, they simply attempted to make it another argument against the “heresies” of the post-conciliar Church.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Then I would avoid reading polemnical writings by radical traditionalist (and suspended) priests who can’t be trusted to to relay the objective truth. I’ve yet to read an objective article by an objective agency that relates this Hindu story. Thus, I consign it to the dust bin with same story that the old Holy Father took part in a Hindu ceremony by having that mark put on his forehead by a Indian woman (she was a Catholic woman from India, not a Hindu at all, and the mark was a traditional greeting extended by all Indians, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, whatever…do the radical traditionalists bother to tell us that? No, they simply attempted to make it another argument against the “heresies” of the post-conciliar Church.
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I read that article as I came across it by accident browsing for news about Fatima, and as I said, I was surprised. I do not like the desecration that is for sure.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Then I would avoid reading polemnical writings by radical traditionalist (and suspended) priests who can’t be trusted to to relay the objective truth. I’ve yet to read an objective article by an objective agency that relates this Hindu story. Thus, I consign it to the dust bin with same story that the old Holy Father took part in a Hindu ceremony by having that mark put on his forehead by a Indian woman (she was a Catholic woman from India, not a Hindu at all, and the mark was a traditional greeting extended by all Indians, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, whatever…do the radical traditionalists bother to tell us that? No, they simply attempted to make it another argument against the “heresies” of the post-conciliar Church.
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I agree with you JKirkLVNV - but I would be interested to have your comment re: the communique I posted earlier - from the rector of the Fatima shrine - confirming that hindus were praying in the Chapel at Fatima? - this is not some suspended Priest we are talking about now.

fatima-petitions.com/echoes/echoes1.html

Not only was the desecration of the Chapel at Fatima an abomination, it also gave SSPX, suspended Priests, the secular press etc. - just the gossip they needed to further their own agendas against the Church.

But the above is secondary to the fact that what happened was sacriligeous and should not be allowed to happen again.
 
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Lorarose:
There is always another side to the story…and here is one viewpoint that is rarely considered…

fatimafamily.org/news/hindus.html

Really…this is getting to be old news.
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That article states this: " The newscast then shows the Hindus bringing flowers to the statue of Our Lady inside the Capelinha … The Hindu priest stands at the Catholic altar and recites a Hindu prayer"

What right does he have to recite a hindu prayer at the altar?
NONE.!
 
That article states this: " The newscast then shows the Hindus bringing flowers to the statue of Our Lady inside the Capelinha … The Hindu priest stands at the Catholic altar and recites a Hindu prayer"
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What right does he have to recite a hindu prayer at the altar?
NONE.!
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I’m having a hard time believing you read the entire article in such a short amount of time.
You can lead a horse to water…
 
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Lorarose:
I’m having a hard time believing you read the entire article in such a short amount of time.
You can lead a horse to water…
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Excuse me friend, but Iam still reading it… so let me post again when Iam finished…

Also note that the hindu priest is not a Catholic priest. so what business does he have at the altar? He is not ordained.
 
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