Drops of water in the jar or in the Chalice?

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glendab said:
Hello again Therese.

I did not accuse nor did the OP. Facts were simply stated. If you think presenting Church teaching to folks who ask questions is an accusation, then you’re in the wrong place when you come here. I apologize if I offend you, but the facts are simply that no priest can add, change or omit anything in any of the rubrics regarding any of the Sacraments. To do so IS grave matter and needs addressing and it is for those who are Ordained and Commissioned to do so. If you think that a person who expresses themselves about such matters and brings these things to the attention of others is at fault, then that is your opinion and not a fact.

In fact, I’d go so far as to say it is incumbent upon all the laity to become and remain well informed about all the things necessary regarding the Sacraments and their institution and authenticity. We are, after all expected to be guardians of the faith, whether lay, or Ordained. If folks remain ignorant of the things necessary for our Sacramental life in the Church, such things as Liturgical abuse can go on and on and on. A well-informed laity is an asset in every parish and place they are.

But thanks for sharing your opinion about accusations Therese.

Glenda
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No, not all things are a grave matter.
 
Fr David,

My wife noticed a particle of the host in the precious blood as she was receiving it. She was worried that it was from someone else’s communion reception. I told her it looked to me like a piece of the consecrated bread was broken off, because I noticed it too.

Prase be Jesus Christ.
 
fred_conty said:
Fr David,

My wife noticed a particle of the host in the precious blood as she was receiving it. She was worried that it was from someone else’s communion reception. I told her it looked to me like a piece of the consecrated bread was broken off, because I noticed it too.

Prase be Jesus Christ.
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One possibility is that it might have been the particle of the Host that the priest drops into the chalice during the Lamb of God.
 
FrDavid96 said:
One possibility is that it might have been the particle of the Host that the priest drops into the chalice during the Lamb of God.
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So it might have been the chalice the priest used himself at Mass?
 
glendab said:
It is grave matter and can be a mortal sin and depending on how far he goes can even automatically excommunicate him.
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How far would he have to go to incur such censure? I see nothing in Canon Law to indicate it? :confused:
But I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Canon Lawyer.

That is: I can imagine a priest automatically excommunicating himself during the liturgy, but it would not be for going-too-far-in-adding-to-or-omitting-from-the-liturgy – It would be for adding something which Canon Law already declares as incurring a *latae sententiae *excommunication, eg throwing away the newly consecrated elements, or punching the holy father with whom he is concelebrating, or procuring an abortion in between the words of consecration or something.

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Then add water only to the celebrant’s chalice at the Masses at which you assist, and all the chalices when the bishop is in town, and let Deacon Emcee do it as he sees fit at the Masses at which he assists… 😉
 
Gorgias said:
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Then add water only to the celebrant’s chalice at the Masses at which you assist, and all the chalices when the bishop is in town, and let Deacon Emcee do it as he sees fit at the Masses at which he assists… 😉
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It’s not that simple.

(name removed by moderator) is in a difficult position because the bishop is saying one thing in his written instructions and the bishop’s MC is expecting the opposite at the bishop’s Masses.

I’ve dealt with that before and it’s not easy. The bishop says “why are you doing it that way? it’s wrong” and I hand the bishop his letter telling us to do it that way and the bishop finds some way to make it sound like it’s still my fault.
 
FrDavid96 said:
It’s not that simple.

(name removed by moderator) is in a difficult position because the bishop is saying one thing in his written instructions and the bishop’s MC is expecting the opposite at the bishop’s Masses.
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So, one presumes that the MC is accurately representing the bishop’s wishes for this particular Mass, and therefore, does as the bishop wishes in that context. Otherwise, we’re left with the unsavory thought that Dcn MC is simply expressing his own opinion… 😦

On the other hand, the MC is not the diocesan Director of Worship, and therefore, (name removed by moderator) follows the instructions from the Office of Worship in the other Masses at which he assists. The MC doesn’t speak for the Office of Worship, and so, when he says, “you need to do it this way when you assist at Mass,” one smiles and thanks him for his recommendations… 🤷
I’ve dealt with that before and it’s not easy. The bishop says “why are you doing it that way? it’s wrong” and I hand the bishop his letter telling us to do it that way and the bishop finds some way to make it sound like it’s still my fault.
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Different case, though, isn’t it? But, similar course of action: “thank you, your Excellence.”
 
fred_conty said:
So it might have been the chalice the priest used himself at Mass?
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If you were in our parish it would definitely be the priest’s chalice. At the Saturday evening Mass that’s the only chalice used to offer the Precious Blood to the congregation and at Sunday morning’s Mass it’s one of two identical chalices used. We don’t have ‘cups’ in my parish, we only have chalices.
 
In our parish there are only chalices, no ‘cups’. If there are two used at a given Mass (usually Sunday morning’s Mass) they are identical. Where water is concerned. though, Fr. adds only to one chalice.
 
Alma,
Just a friendly reminder that when you are writing in English, the question mark goes at the end of the question only. It is incorrect to put a question mark before the sentence, as you would when writing in Spanish.
I’m an ESL teacher and I couldn’t let this go 🙂
 
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