Early Church Father's

[0104]

These days we are leaning more to spiritualisum or non-belief in God. In the day of the early Church Father’s knew what the Eucharist was and as the church grew, it grew with tradition. Just like some of the Jew’s didn’t accept the Oral Talmud and Mishna. Christian’s do not accept what the Church and the Father’s pasted down orally. In the early Church they had priest that believed that Jesus was subordinate of the Father. Which is a heresy in the Catholic Church and was condemned. They had many Catholics in the early Church that didn’t believe Mary should be called mother of God which she clearly is because Jesus is both human and divined. These were all heresies.

Then when Martin Luther came he didn’t like things in the Church like the Vicar of Christ and indugences. He preached on ( faith alone ). Which he translated himself. Because St. Jerome looked at the Hebrew Canon and translated it, Luther had a loop hole to jump through. Just because St Jerome translated it does not make it inspired work of the Catholic Church. Luther used Jerome translating the Hebrew scriptures as a way to take out the 7 books in the old testament and now we have 40,000 religions. Romans 5:1-2
With God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we hae gained access ( by faith ) to this grace in which we stand , and we boast in hope of the glory of God.

These are some sayings from the early Father’s
St. Augustine " Recognize in this bread ( what hung on the cross), and in this chalice ( What flowed from his side).

St. Basil the Great AD 379, God has ordained that she ( Mary ) in everything!

St. Cyril of Alexandria, If the poison of pride is swelling up in you, turn to the EUCHARIST.

St. Athanasius, Even if Catholics faithful to tradition are reduced to a handful they are the ones who are the TRUE CHURCH of Jesus Christ.

 

[0104]

http://biblefacts.org/

This is Ken Johnson’s webpage.

Like I said the early Father’s were Catholics even St Ignatius of Antioch says in a letter on his way to be martyred in AD 110 " where there is Jesus Christ there is the Catholic Church. Now what can Protestants say about this that Ignatius didn’t know what he was talking about. That the letter was a typo and that we miss understood what he said in the letter. Clearly it says what it means. Moreover He says Catholic Church in his statement so he wasn’t saying for the first time. Hey people, this is what Jesus and his apostles left us his Church his one TRUE CHURCH which is the Catholic Church. They had known it for some time.

And to this notion that the church was corrupt and that Protestants came and saved the church from dieing is nonsense.

The Catholic Church has always been there we have men and women who have died for the faith and the Catholic doctrine.

This Ken Johnson is a Protestant who talks about the ( rapture ). Show me where the word rapture is in the Bible. Just like Sola scriptura show me private revelation is in the Bible.

Look at Ken’s webpage he rejects Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. The Catholic Church does not reject any group.
God bless!

 

[Maximilian75]

How does Catholicism differ from Pauline teachings?

 

[dann]

1 cor. 2. Saint Paul wrote .I didn’t come with mans wisdom. But with the demonstrated holy spirit. So that your faith will not be based on mans theology. Etc etc.

Saint Paul was a Evangelical.
1 cor 14;25-26. When you meet bring a psalm. A hym. A revelation. A tongue and interpretation. A prophetic word.
So people will recognize . God is with you.
And when 2 or more are there… Well

Its not just a history lesson. In a church. Who has a form of godlyness.2 Tim 3:5

 

[Maximilian75]

You did not answer my question. How does the RCC challenge or offer resistance to any of that?

 

[dann]

As 0104. Said
ken Johnson on biblefacts.org has a list of religions including the roman and orthodox. Are listed.
You can view this yourself.

 

[0104]

No I shall have to disagree, Paul taught on the Eucharist in the town of Corinth ( 1Cor. 11:25
Paul was retelling the act that Jesus put into play. In what Catholics call the litergey of the Eucharist. In 1 Cor. 11:23-24 Paul speaks about Jesus’ real body under the appearance of bread. Then Paul took a cup and he said these words ( do this in remembrance of me ) it is in that moment that it is transubstantiated into the blood of Jesus under the appearance of wine.

Heb. 2:14-15 Now since the children share in blood and flesh , he likewise shared in them , that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death that is , the detail, and free those who through fear of death had been subject to slavery all their life.

Peter and Paul went all over the Mediterranean establishing Churches, a Church of one belief system at that time that Our Lord is truly present under the bread and wine later other doctrines were fromed. After Peter and Paul had die they put in as successor Pope Linus You can see this in 2Timothy 4:21

So the Bible does connect itself to the early Catholic Church.