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Do Eastern Catholics venerate the saints, who have never been in public communion with Rome? :byzsoc:
Thanks. So, I see, with Gregory Narek the ground was his mentioning in Martyrologium. Isaac of Nineveh consciously wrote on non-controversial topics. And Augustine lived long before the East-West schism.Yes, but so do many Roman Catholics. For example, the newest Doctor of the Universal Church, St. Gregory of Narek, as well as St. Isaac of Nineveh, and more. Sainthood transcends jurisdictional bounds, however publicly it is sometimes prudent not to univeraally venerate a saint that was virulently anti-Papal or anti-Roman or even theologically misunderstood unless this can be overcome. St. Augustine is getting somewhat of a renaissance in the East lately. He might not have been publicly venerated earlier, or even on a less grand scale but is today being reevaluated with Eastern lenses.
So, is the issue of recognition of a saint decided individually for every single one?Yes, but so do many Roman Catholics. For example, the newest Doctor of the Universal Church, St. Gregory of Narek, as well as St. Isaac of Nineveh, and more. Sainthood transcends jurisdictional bounds, however publicly it is sometimes prudent not to univeraally venerate a saint that was virulently anti-Papal or anti-Roman or even theologically misunderstood unless this can be overcome. St. Augustine is getting somewhat of a renaissance in the East lately. He might not have been publicly venerated earlier, or even on a less grand scale but is today being reevaluated with Eastern lenses.
HiYes, but so do many Roman Catholics. For example, the newest Doctor of the Universal Church, St. Gregory of Narek, as well as St. Isaac of Nineveh, and more. Sainthood transcends jurisdictional bounds, however publicly it is sometimes prudent not to univeraally venerate a saint that was virulently anti-Papal or anti-Roman or even theologically misunderstood unless this can be overcome. St. Augustine is getting somewhat of a renaissance in the East lately. He might not have been publicly venerated earlier, or even on a less grand scale but is today being reevaluated with Eastern lenses.
There were no Templar knights in1500s.Hi
Our Saints are defined by their deeds but also location. For example St. Sedonia brought Christianity to the Republic of Georgia on the Black Sea. If my son didn’t marry a Georgian girl, I never would have heard of her. St. Patrick is Ireland. Europe is so old and our church’s head is Rome, may of our Saints are European. We have St. Paul Neuman, The sweet nun who started schools in the Phila area where I grew up. I am tired now and having a senior moment. I can see her. She wias from Drexel. I’ll recall her after I sleep. We have an Indian Saint Takawitha.(spelling) We share St. John Chrysostom. I tried to explain to her this geographical idea and about St.John but there is some division here which saddens me. In 1500cc, Rome sent Templer knights to slaughter the Orthodox priests and demolish churches. I think they may use the gnostic gospels.I am going over there next spring. 21hours of traveling. I plan to find out. It saddens me.
Excuse me for jumping in. In Christ’s love, tweedlealice
Yes, there were. The Templars were not suppressed in Portugal, but regrouped as the Military Order of Christ (v. bit.ly/1JtLV5I). As a matter of fact, as sponsors of the Portuguese navigations in the 16th century that resulted in the discovery of Brazil, the largest Catholic country in the world owes its faith to the Knights Templars.There were no Templar knights in1500s.
I’m sympathetic (or like to think I am) toward Orthodox former-Catholics in general and Fr. Toth in particular … But I don’t think I would venerate him as a saint, as a matter of principle. (Just like I wouldn’t venerate an ex-EO if I were EO.)I know some Byzantines who venerate Saint Alexis Toth.
Is he on the actual EC calendar(s)?I’m sympathetic (or like to think I am) toward Orthodox former-Catholics in general and Fr. Toth in particular … But I don’t think I would venerate him as a saint, as a matter of principle. (Just like I wouldn’t venerate an ex-EO if I were EO.)
But that’s just my two cents.
I’m all but certain that he is not.Is he on the actual EC calendar(s)?
Indeed not. And while I do not venerate him myself, he is rather a sympathetic character.I’m all but certain that he is not.
I think it was in 680-681 A.D. (Constantinople III) that both the Melkites and the Maronites adopted Christ in two natures. St. Jacob of Sarug died in 521 A.D. Council of Chalcedon was in 451 A.D.For Maronites (who especially insist they’ve been historically Chalcedonian), St. Jacob of Sarug (to whom the ending of every single office and mass part called a Yaquboyo or Bo’utho dMor Yaqub is attributed) openly wrote about his dislike of Chalcedon and how he’s a miaphysite.
All baptized infants under the age of reason. Others that did not defect from the Catholic Church that have not committed mortal sins or have confessed them with perfect contrition.Are there any protestant saints?
Anglicans recognise Saint Thomas More.Are there any protestant saints?
Anglicans recognise Saint Thomas More.