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adamhovey1988
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I am a Latin but I am fascinated with the Eastern Catholic churches I would love to go to an Armenian Catholic Church one of these days I’ve seen some of the liturgy and heard some of the liturgy EWTN and youtube and it is very beautiful as far as I can see. I have also been to a Maronite Catholic Church a Syrian Orthodox Church and many many times I have been to a Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Since you posted this may I ask what your association with the Eastern Catholic churches are? At least some of the Melkite liturgies I have been to the celebrant was actually a Ukrainian Greek Catholic priest
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Thomas48
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Thank you for this, it was very interesting to see the statistics.
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Peter_J
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No question, to me, what’s most notable: the Ethiopian Catholic Church (Metropolitanate) and Eritrean Catholic Church (Metropolitanate) – formerly the Ethiopian/Eritrean Catholic Church (Metropolitanate).
(The announcement was some months ago, but this is the first version of that stats-page that reflects it.)
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5Loaves
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United States? Missing again. So much for the Russian Greek Catholics in the US…
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Alveus_Lacuna
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Holy Martyrs pray for us.
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jeannetherese
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Hi 5Loaves,
could you please help me understand this?
I’m guessing that the key would be the phrase “without their own hierarchy” but I’m afraid that i do not know enough about the situation to create proper context.
Thank you in advance for your assistance and may God bless all who visit our thread.
Amen.
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jeannetherese
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Thank you 5loaves.
Do you know if this would this mean that there might be an undercount in the Eastern Catholic population notes or are members of these communities included in the count?
Thanks, as always, for your helpfulness.
jeannetherese
Do you know if this would this mean that there might be an undercount in the Eastern Catholic population notes or are members of these communities included in the count?
Thanks, as always, for your helpfulness.
jeannetherese
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MorEphrem
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I’m very skeptical of these numbers, especially pertaining to the Maronites. They cannot possibly be right. Based on a quick sum of the numbers reported for Lebanon, basically if every Christian in Lebanon was Maronite then the numbers might be true but that’s not even close to the situation (i.e. its greatly overestimated). Furthermore, according to internal estimations, the Diocese of Our Lady of Lebanon claims there are approximately 50,000 Maronites alone in the Detroit area (i.e. the number is greatly underestimated). Furthermore, if you look at the Maronite dioceses’ directories the number of parishes directly contradict the numbers listed in these charts (in fact, according to their numbers they’re off by about 20%) as well as the number of seminarians.
I’m curious what the methodology and qualifications CNEWA uses to compile these numbers.
I’m curious what the methodology and qualifications CNEWA uses to compile these numbers.
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malphono
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This has come up before in this forum (e.g, [thread=548701]here[/thread]).
The CNEWA data is taken from the Annuario Pontificio, and the trouble is they don’t use consistent criteria. For example, in Brazil they apparently use the state-sponsored census numbers, whereas in the US they apparently use registered parishioners. What they use for elsewhere is a mystery. One look at Aleppo tells a huge story: the number of Maronites shows an increase whereas the majority of the Christian population has fled because of the ongoing war.
It seems to me that those numbers aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on (or the bandwidth & disk space they occupy).
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Peter_J
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My thoughts exactly.
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ByzCathCantor
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Aren’t you under the omiphorion of Sayedna Samra (Melkite Greek Catholic Eparchy of Newton, MA)?
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ByzCathCantor
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If I may respond generally (thought 5Loaves may know more of the details), there is no Russian Greek Catholic Eparch (Bishop) for the faithful here in the United States.
That would ordinarily mean that each Russian Greek Catholic parish would be subject to the local Roman Catholic bishop.
In the case of the Russian Greek Catholics in the United States, I believe there is a bit of a hybrid situation.
The following is given on another site (byzcath.org), usually well informed on these matters (though unofficially), and the present situation is described as follows:
Byzantine-Russian:
There is not currently any ecclesiastical structure for Russian Greek (Byzantine) Catholics in North America. As a consequence, Russian Greek-Catholics are canonically subject to the Roman Catholic ordinary within whose geographic jurisdiction they reside. However, the following canonical accommodations presently exist as regards the Russian Greek-Catholic parishes in the United States:
- St Andrew the First-Called Russian Greek-Catholic parish (El Segundo, CA) is formally committed to the spiritual omophorion of the Eparchy of Newton of the Melkites;
- Our Lady of Fatima Byzantine (Russian Greek-Catholic) parish (San Francisco) is informally committed to the spiritual omophorion of the Eparchy of Newton of the Melkites;
- Ss Cyril & Methodius Russian Greek-Catholic Community (Denver, CO) is informally committed to the spiritual omophorion of the Eparchy of St George in Canton of the Romanians;
- St Michael the Archangel Russian Greek-Catholic parish (NYC) is currently served by Melkite clergy, but without any formal or informal commitment to of or by the Eparchy of Newton of the Melkites.
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