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How can I become an Eastern Catholic as communion doesn’t mean recognizing Rome’s primacy it also means having unity in beliefs so how does this work? For example a Byzantine Catholic will accept the Primacy of Rome while accepting Eastern Orthodox beliefs. One example would be that the Roman Catholic Church hold by the doctrine of original sin while a Byzantine Catholic would hold to the doctrine of ancestral sin. How can there be true communion with major differences in doctrine.
 
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I am a Byzantine Catholic. Eastern Catholics accept all of the dogmas of faith that the Catholic Church teaches, even though they are not all in in the particular tradition that the Catholic sui iuris church belongs to.

The eastern Catholic canon law (CCEO) has this:
Canon 598 – § 1. Those things are to be believed by divine and catholic faith which are contained in the word of God as it has been written or handed down by tradition, that is, in the single deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and which are at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn Magisterium of the Church, or by its ordinary and universal Magisterium, which in fact is manifested by the common adherence of Christ’s faithful under the guidance of the sacred Magisterium. All Christian faithful are therefore bound to avoid any contrary doctrines.

§ 2. Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.
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The Treaty of Brest (1596 A.D.) included (Ukrainian Orthodox – Poland-Lithuania was 1569–1795):
1.—Since there is a quarrel between the Romans and Greeks about the procession of the Holy Spirit, which greatly impede unity really for no other reason than that we do not wish to understand one another—we ask that we should not be compelled to any other creed but that we should remain with that which was handed down to us in the Holy Scriptures, in the Gospel, and in the writings of the holy Greek Doctors, that is, that the Holy Spirit proceeds, not from two sources and not by a double procession, but from one origin, from the Father through the Son.

5.—We shall not debate about purgatory, but we entrust ourselves to the teaching of the Holy Church.

11.—That our Bishops should not send to Rome for the sacrae (permission to consecrate), but, if the King’s Grace names someone to a bishopric, that according to the old custom the Archbishop—Metropolitain should have the duty and the right to ordain him. The Metropolitain himself, before entering upon the office of metropolitain, should send the sacrae to the Pope. Then, after he has received the sacrae from Rome, let the bishops ordain him, at least two of them, according to their custom. If a bishop is elected Metropolitain, let him not send for the sacrae, because he already has the episcopal cheirotonia; he may take an oath of obedience to the Supreme Pontiff in the presence of the Archbishop of Gniezno (who on that occasion will not be functioning as Archbishop, but as Primate of Poland).

12.—So that our authority would be greater and we should govern our faithful with greater respect, we ask seats in the Senate of the King’s Grace for the Metropolitain and the bishops. We ask this for many reasons for we have the same office and hierarchical dignity as the Roman Bishops.
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How can there be unity and communion when there’s two different Churches reciting two different creeds.
 
There are two types of Eastern Churches. The ones that are in full communion with Rome, and the ones that are not.

The Ukranian Greek, for instance, is aligned with Rome, whereas the Bizantine Orthodox, is not.
 
I’m aware of that, but it still doesn’t answer the question.
 
You’re going to get mixed answers I’m afraid. Some Eastern Catholics seriously are just like the Orthodox and probably only belong to an Eastern Catholic church b/c of family or heritage etc. Some are VERY Latin-minded due to latinizations that they just grew up with or perhaps they were raised Latin and just like the liturgy better etc.

Meh…that’s the best I can say about being Easter Catholic…I’m part of the UGCC but I was raised Latin (did a formal transfer several years ago). Ultimately I’m looking for a healthy parish…if something happens to the one I’m at I’ll likely just become Orthodox since I side more with the Orthodox way and theology more than the Latin despite my own heritage. I’ve made peace with that. The Schism does cause me a lot of pain and I wish there was formal union…but I truly believe that God will not fault me for not picking the right side.

Best of luck to you!
 
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To be in communion with Rome means accepting all Councils, Magisterium, Catecism, applicable rules etc.

An easter Church can not paradoxically deny teachings and recognize the Pope as their leader… it’s either or.
 
I asked a somewhat similar question here on CAF. The answers contain lots of good info but didn’t answer my question definitively. It’s a messy situation and perhaps there isn’t a “one-size fits all answer”.

I still don’t understand how one can be Eastern Catholic and think they believe the same as the Eastern Orthodox and at the same time, agree with the RCC by accepting the Pope and other Dogmas of the RCC, such as the Immaculate Conception.

Here’s the thread which may or may not be helpful to you:
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Are Eastern Catholic's beliefs the same as or similar to the Eastern Orthodox? Eastern Catholicism
I have a question about how similar Eastern Catholics’ beliefs are to Eastern Orthodox beliefs. I’m a RCC who has been drawn to Eastern Orthodoxy for over 20 years (and considered converting) and find Eastern Christian beliefs and spirituality resonate very deep inside of me as Truth. The EOs don’t seem to teach using dogmatic systems or catechisms and stress learning their beliefs by living and practicing the faith, by prayer, reading and studying the ECFs and Saints and the Divine Liturgy. …
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Masihi said:
How can I become an Eastern Catholic as communion doesn’t mean recognizing Rome’s primacy it also means having unity in beliefs so how does this work?
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Where did you get this idea?

If you believe this, why would you want to become an Eastern Catholic?
Masihi said:
Eastern Orthodox beliefs. One example would be that the Roman Catholic Church hold by the doctrine of original sin while a Byzantine Catholic would hold to the doctrine of ancestral sin. How can there be true communion with major differences in doctrine.
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These are not major differences in doctrine, they are different theological perspectives of the same doctrine.
Masihi said:
How can there be unity and communion when there’s two different Churches reciting two different creeds.
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There is a variety of accepted creeds.
Masihi said:
I’m aware of that, but it still doesn’t answer the question.
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Your questions are based on false assumptions.
TigerLily-1 said:
I still don’t understand how one can be Eastern Catholic and think they believe the same as the Eastern Orthodox and at the same time, agree with the RCC by accepting the Pope and other Dogmas of the RCC, such as the Immaculate Conception.
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Eastern Christians have a theologically different way of thinking and talking about the faith. They were not subjected to the infusion of Thomism. They have agreed not to disagree with Rome.
 
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You can’t have one Church reciting two different creeds and believing in different stuff.
 
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The Filioque makes sense when coming from a Latin mindset and when saying it in Latin (and perhaps all the Romance languages). It is a heresy to say it in Greek. (I will say that I think it should be dropped in English b/c I think that it does indeed imply a double procession. But that’s just my opinion there.)
 
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The Filioque makes sense when coming from a Latin mindset and when saying it in Latin (and perhaps all the Romance languages). It is a heresy to say it in Greek. (I will say that I think it should be dropped in English b/c I think that it does indeed imply a double procession. But that’s just my opinion there.)
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It would certainly be a great step toward unity if this could be lifted in the West.
 
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That’s going to go over well with the Traditionalists 😆😆😆
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I realized that after I posted it. That is what it seems like from an Eastern mindset, but it might be more appropriate to say infused, or heavily influenced? It is like dropping wine into the water - it is never the same afterward.
 
I don’t necessarily disagree with the wording lol…I just know a bunch of the Trads will throw a fit over it 😉 I’ve been round and round with a few who refuse to recognize that Thomism is just one of a number of allowable theological schools of thought within the church. It’s Aquinas uber alles in their eyes and everything else is heresy.
 
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