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GAssisi
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I would like to see a separate section/forum for our concerns with Eastern Christianity. Who would agree?
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Corpus_Cristi
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I think we should have a separate forum for Eastern Christianity because if we have a forum that talks about things that primarily have to do with Eastern Rite/Eastern Orthodox Churches, then we can learn more about them.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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I voted yes for a separate forum for Eastern Christianity but with this caveat.
It should not be used to ghettoize us Eastern Christians.
We are one Church afterall.
I have been on another forum that has a separate topic for Eastern Christianity and the users there get upset when us Eastern Christians bring up stuff outside of that topic and that would be a concern I would have if a spot was created here.
It should not be used to ghettoize us Eastern Christians.
We are one Church afterall.
I have been on another forum that has a separate topic for Eastern Christianity and the users there get upset when us Eastern Christians bring up stuff outside of that topic and that would be a concern I would have if a spot was created here.
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GAssisi
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Good point, David. Perhaps like in these other forums, if an “Eastern Christianity” forums ever gets started, the administrator can post some rules and codes of conduct specific to the forum.
I would like such a separate forum because I believe Eastern Christianity presents a special case since we are dealing with APOSTOLIC Churches, as distinct from Protestants. The discussion will be more focused on appropriate topics. I feel wierd lumping Eastern Christianity with “everyone else” who is not Catholic, not only because it deprives Eastern Christianity of its well-deserved recognition, but also because Eastern Christianity (here, I speak particularly of Orthodoxy) has so much in it that could actually be regarded as “Catholic.”
God bless,
Greg
I would like such a separate forum because I believe Eastern Christianity presents a special case since we are dealing with APOSTOLIC Churches, as distinct from Protestants. The discussion will be more focused on appropriate topics. I feel wierd lumping Eastern Christianity with “everyone else” who is not Catholic, not only because it deprives Eastern Christianity of its well-deserved recognition, but also because Eastern Christianity (here, I speak particularly of Orthodoxy) has so much in it that could actually be regarded as “Catholic.”
God bless,
Greg
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a_pilgrim
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As an Eastern Catholic, one of the things that attracted my participation on this forum in the first place is the fact that its current arrangement allows for a free exchange of theological philosophies and viewpoints, from both the Eastern and the Western standpoint, on any given topic. This free exchange and integration of ideas is, in my opinion, essential to the unification efforts that our Holy Father is working so strongly toward.
David’s (ByzCath) concerns are very real. I have participated on other “segregated” forums and have found the segregation to serve as a hindrance to education and understanding, from both the Eastern and the Western standpoints… sort of a reflection of the segregation we still live with in the real world. We must go beyond this “pigeonhole” way of thinking.
The site owners have chosen to refer to this as a Catholic forum. Good for them! As such, all Catholic perspectives, East and West, deserve “equal billing.” To those who would say we need an Eastern Orthodox (as opposed to Eastern Catholic) forum or section to truly grasp the specifics of Eastern theological thought, I would counter by saying that the Orthodox theological views and perspectives are, for the most part, identical to those embraced by we of the Eastern Churches who are already in communion with Rome. If we Eastern Catholics are allowed to continue interjecting our unique perspectives into the mainstream Catholic discussions that occur here, wherever appropriate of course, then a separate Eastern Christianity forum/section would be superfluous.
My experience has been that my Eastern brothers and sisters who frequent this forum are a pretty knowledgable and proud bunch (oh, but to be so knowledgable as many of them!
). I can refer to countless posts where references were made to sites outside of this forum to enhance the education and understanding of our Western brethren (and vice versa!). This method works - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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David’s (ByzCath) concerns are very real. I have participated on other “segregated” forums and have found the segregation to serve as a hindrance to education and understanding, from both the Eastern and the Western standpoints… sort of a reflection of the segregation we still live with in the real world. We must go beyond this “pigeonhole” way of thinking.
The site owners have chosen to refer to this as a Catholic forum. Good for them! As such, all Catholic perspectives, East and West, deserve “equal billing.” To those who would say we need an Eastern Orthodox (as opposed to Eastern Catholic) forum or section to truly grasp the specifics of Eastern theological thought, I would counter by saying that the Orthodox theological views and perspectives are, for the most part, identical to those embraced by we of the Eastern Churches who are already in communion with Rome. If we Eastern Catholics are allowed to continue interjecting our unique perspectives into the mainstream Catholic discussions that occur here, wherever appropriate of course, then a separate Eastern Christianity forum/section would be superfluous.
My experience has been that my Eastern brothers and sisters who frequent this forum are a pretty knowledgable and proud bunch (oh, but to be so knowledgable as many of them!
). I can refer to countless posts where references were made to sites outside of this forum to enhance the education and understanding of our Western brethren (and vice versa!). This method works - if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.a pilgrim
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Hesychios
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I don’t believe a separate forum is necessary, or even wise.
This is a Catholic Forum.
Besides, to be honest we would need to have two liturgy forums, two Spirituality forums, two apologetics forums, two miscellaneous forms, etcetera.
Many topics are relevant to all Catholics.
This is a Catholic Forum.
Besides, to be honest we would need to have two liturgy forums, two Spirituality forums, two apologetics forums, two miscellaneous forms, etcetera.
Many topics are relevant to all Catholics.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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After a pilgrim’s most insightful post I must change my vote to NO.
I would like to point out that my concerns are very much in evidence already even though Greg has trying to address them.
What I mean by this is look where he posted this thread. Non-Catholic Religions, even though there are many many Catholic Eastern Christians.
So my vote is now NO and I must give a hearty
to my friend a pilgrim.
I would like to point out that my concerns are very much in evidence already even though Greg has trying to address them.
What I mean by this is look where he posted this thread. Non-Catholic Religions, even though there are many many Catholic Eastern Christians.
So my vote is now NO and I must give a hearty
to my friend a pilgrim.
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GAssisi
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Dear Pilgrim,
On the contrary, I find it hard to immediately distinguish what threads an Eastern Christian may contribute towards. Many people do not read all the threads, I gather, or if some do, they may not read all of it, and an Eastern contribution may be missed. There are several threads which I feel an Eastern perspective would have been fruitful, but none came.
You say that links to Eastern sites have been provided, but how many actually come across those threads or links? I would like to see more exposure of Eastern Christianity altogether. IMHO, injecting yourselves in certain threads does not do much to advertise the fact that Eastern Christianity exists. Many do not even know “Eastern” Christianity exists, or that it is a viable option for the Catholic Church.
I for one have never seen a more prolific site than this one. The amount of posts is simply staggering compared to Eastern sites I have been on. You need to take advantage of this, and support a forum for Eastern Christianity, for the sake of the exposure it will provide.
Further, I do not see why having a specific forum to address issues with Eastern Christianity should detract from Eastern contribution in other forums.
God bless,
Greg
On the contrary, I find it hard to immediately distinguish what threads an Eastern Christian may contribute towards. Many people do not read all the threads, I gather, or if some do, they may not read all of it, and an Eastern contribution may be missed. There are several threads which I feel an Eastern perspective would have been fruitful, but none came.
You say that links to Eastern sites have been provided, but how many actually come across those threads or links? I would like to see more exposure of Eastern Christianity altogether. IMHO, injecting yourselves in certain threads does not do much to advertise the fact that Eastern Christianity exists. Many do not even know “Eastern” Christianity exists, or that it is a viable option for the Catholic Church.
I for one have never seen a more prolific site than this one. The amount of posts is simply staggering compared to Eastern sites I have been on. You need to take advantage of this, and support a forum for Eastern Christianity, for the sake of the exposure it will provide.
Further, I do not see why having a specific forum to address issues with Eastern Christianity should detract from Eastern contribution in other forums.
God bless,
Greg
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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This is why I made the comment about ghettoizing.
As has happened on other forums where there is a separate Eastern topic. Some people get upset when we comment on eastern things out side of that topic.
And I want to echo Hesychios’ comment, to do it right we will need an Eastern Liturgy, an Eastern spirituality, etc. To make it right.
I know some in the West want to treat the East as just another Chrism, like the Franscian Chrism, the Benedictine Chrism, but it is much more than that.
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JGC
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Threads on Eastern Orthodoxy / Eastern Catholicism seem to run and run, there’s obviously keen interest out there
I can see peoples concerns above but the interaction between Latin Catholicism / Eastern Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy seems to generate enough debate to justify its own Forum.
I see duplication between threads as it’s difficult to search all the forums to see if an issue has come up before.
I think such an ‘Eastern’ forum would place a lot of good information in one easy to access place and be a great resource.
I can see peoples concerns above but the interaction between Latin Catholicism / Eastern Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy seems to generate enough debate to justify its own Forum.
I see duplication between threads as it’s difficult to search all the forums to see if an issue has come up before.
I think such an ‘Eastern’ forum would place a lot of good information in one easy to access place and be a great resource.
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diaconate
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I have to agree with Pilgrim and ByzCath. There might be times when a different look on something might bring someone closer to God. If we seperate the forum then all who come here will not get the opurtunity to maybe find the ansewr they are looking for. It isn’t broke leave it be! Both lungs not seperated lungs!
Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever!
Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever!
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GAssisi
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Who said anything was broken?
God bless,
Greg
God bless,
Greg
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Matt16_18
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a pilgrim:
The Catholic Church has infallible teachings about original sin, and I would sure like to see how the Eastern Catholics present those doctrines.
The Original Sin thread on this forum could use some (name removed by moderator)ut from the Eastern Catholics. The Catholic Church confesses ONE faith; she does not confess two faiths, an “eastern” faith and a “western” faith.
The Catholic Church has infallible teachings about original sin, and I would sure like to see how the Eastern Catholics present those doctrines.
Agreed. Eastern Catholics are 100% Catholic, and they have as much right as Latin Rite Catholics to present their arguements in a Catholic apologetics forum. Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholics do have their differences in belief, and I am interested in seeing the Eastern Catholics defend their beliefs against the Orthodox misunderstanding of the Catholic faith.
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diaconate
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I apologize if my statement was taken wrong. I ment that this forum is set up properly. It gives the chance for all to see others view points, and we do not have to go searching for it. Once again I sincerly apologize for my statement.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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True, but there are two views of this One Faith, the western view and the eastern view.
This is also true, but the idea of an inherited guilt, the Augustinian view of Original Sin is not dogma.
I think us Eastern Catholics have done a good job stating what the Eastern tradition is concerning this.
This is one of the problems we have, it comes to a point were we feel as if we are banging our heads against a brick wall. You can keep bringing up the same issues and we will continue to answer them as we have been.
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Matt16_18
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There is only one universal Catechism of the Catholic Church. All Rites of Catholic Church accept the teachings of this Catechism. But, of course, not every individual Catholic of every Rite accepts all the teachings in the Catechism. There are Cafeteria Catholics in all the Rites
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GAssisi
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Dear Matt16,
I must agree with David that there are two views - an “Eastern” and “Western” view on several given dogmas. The point is that these views are COMPLEMENTARY. The SAME FAITH is expressed in two different ways.
I must assert, however, that I have so far not read much on the complementariness of Eastern and Western thought on given issues. I have only come across a de facto presentation of the Eastern view with no explanation on how it may be complementary to or complemented by the Western view, and vice versa. This is almost scandalous, because it creates more divisions instead of unity in the one Catholic Church.
To all, I want to explain further my desire to start a separate forum for Eastern Christianity. I think the main purpose for such a forum would be NOT for Eastern Christians to express their viewpoints specifically, but for WESTERN Christians to ask and learn. From an Eastern perspective, it might be conducive to simply inject your views in existing threads and discussions, but to the Western Christian (with our prediliction for order and rationality) a section concisely and categorically set up to address issues with Eastern Christianity would be preferable and more practical.
Please be so kind as to express your support for such an endeavor; It will make it easier FOR US Western Christians.
Thank you
God bless,
Greg
I must agree with David that there are two views - an “Eastern” and “Western” view on several given dogmas. The point is that these views are COMPLEMENTARY. The SAME FAITH is expressed in two different ways.
I must assert, however, that I have so far not read much on the complementariness of Eastern and Western thought on given issues. I have only come across a de facto presentation of the Eastern view with no explanation on how it may be complementary to or complemented by the Western view, and vice versa. This is almost scandalous, because it creates more divisions instead of unity in the one Catholic Church.
To all, I want to explain further my desire to start a separate forum for Eastern Christianity. I think the main purpose for such a forum would be NOT for Eastern Christians to express their viewpoints specifically, but for WESTERN Christians to ask and learn. From an Eastern perspective, it might be conducive to simply inject your views in existing threads and discussions, but to the Western Christian (with our prediliction for order and rationality) a section concisely and categorically set up to address issues with Eastern Christianity would be preferable and more practical.
Please be so kind as to express your support for such an endeavor; It will make it easier FOR US Western Christians.
Thank you
God bless,
Greg
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Greg
If this forum that you speak of is truly for learning then I would be for it. Both Western and Eastern Catholics must learn from each other. My question is can we keep it just for learning purposes.
If this forum that you speak of is truly for learning then I would be for it. Both Western and Eastern Catholics must learn from each other. My question is can we keep it just for learning purposes.
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Matt16_18
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Within the Latin Rite there are many “views” of the one faith. Carmelite spirituality is not the same as Benedictine spirituality, nor is it the same as Franciscan spirituality. Thomas Aquinas does not exposit the one faith the same way that John of the Cross does. In any Rite of the Catholic Church there are many “views” of the one faith.
Of course, sometimes members of a particular Rite have views that are false, and that is why it is a good thing to have the Catechism of the Catholic Church - no need to get into unproductive “eastern mindset” vs. “western mindset” debates that do nothing more than obscure what the Catholic Church really teaches about the one faith. I also think the Eastern Rite Catholics might take umbrage at the idea that they are not as rational as the members of the Latin Rite. Some of the best logical thinkers that the Catholic Church ever produced were from the East.
Let us accept that members of the Eastern Rite Churches have just as many varied and valid “views” as exist within the Latin Rite. Eastern Rites members are also given different gifts of the Holy Spirit, and there will be those gifted with the charism of teaching.
All Catholics can benefit from learning from a teacher that has the supernatural charism of teaching, and it doesn’t matter what Rite that teacher belongs to.
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Pani_Rose
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I think the main purpose for such a forum would be NOT for Eastern Christians to express their viewpoints specifically, but for WESTERN Christians to ask and learn.
But what happens is the West will not go in there because most feel it does not concern them. I apologize if at anytime we have seem to be antagonistic towards anyone from the West.
Pani Rose
But what happens is the West will not go in there because most feel it does not concern them. I apologize if at anytime we have seem to be antagonistic towards anyone from the West.
Pani Rose
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