Eat Pray Love

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This revier just cracked me up. Reading the book or seeing the movied would just ruin it for me now.
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I did as God said. I went and saw Eat Pray Love. In the theatre were fellow spiritual enlightenment seekers, who, as it turned out, were mostly pairs of women of a certain age, and by a certain age I mean the post-hottie one. Still, I felt a kinship with them. We were all seeking spiritual enlightenment and balance in our lives, though maybe in the interest of more balance they could have started by not getting extra butter on their popcorn. But I quibble.
The movie started with aerial shots of southeast Asian rice paddies, with Julia, in voice-over, talking about female Cambodian and Vietnamese refugees who, chances are, had seen their families and children murdered and who had been raped or wounded, but who, when they went for counselling, Julia said, all they could talk about were boys and romance. “This is how we are,” Julia said of all women, and I thought: How true. How true.
Then Julia appeared onscreen, visiting an old wise man in just the cutest little Balinese village. The wise man was named Ketut, and he had, like, three teeth. He looked like an Asian Mickey Rooney. Toothless Asian wise men living in cute villages, of course, know so much more about life than pale materialistic Westerners, though you have to wonder why so many Asian villagers continue to try to sneak into North America by boat. Don’t they realize what they have?
One also wonders why Western spiritual seekers so seldom give away all their possessions and go to live in Asian villages.
 
One also wonders why Western spiritual seekers so seldom give away all their possessions and go to live in Asian villages.

Let’s send 'em there. Then they’ll realize they should have stuck with Christianity and the great Western civilization that it helped to build.
 
I couldn’t get past the first few paragraphs of Eat Pray Love. As soon as she started praying to the “universe” I had had enough. This vagualy defined spirituality nonesense is a dangerous idealogy, if you ask me. It justifies selfishness by making it seem virtuous. When I was in college I read The Alchemist, which includes some similar ideas. At the time I thought it was deep and meaningfull. I’ve come to realize, however, that it actually runs contrary to Christian values. What is scary is that these kinds of books and movies are quite pervasive, and more and more people are becomming influenced by the misguided message of these “spiritual but not religious” authors. It is actually quite manipulative.
 
Yeah, it bugged me when she said: “And while I do love that great teacher of peace who was called Jesus, and while I do reserve the right to ask myself in certain trying situations what indeed He would do, I can’t swallow that one fixed rule of Christianity insisting that Christ is the only path to God.” Or how in Chapter Nine, she writes a petition to God to help her end her divorce(by the way, she was also having an affair) and then she starts naming people who would sign her petition. St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa, and St. Joan of Arc were included on the list! This lady is seriously nuts!
Hahahahahaha thats hilarious! I have read the book, I forced myself to read it as ity was the only reading material I had in hospital with me. Though even though her spiritual search was in India I do admire her persistance with it but i do agree that she was self absorbed
 
Yeah, it bugged me when she said: “And while I do love that great teacher of peace who was called Jesus, and while I do reserve the right to ask myself in certain trying situations what indeed He would do, I can’t swallow that one fixed rule of Christianity insisting that Christ is the only path to God.” Or how in Chapter Nine, she writes a petition to God to help her end her divorce(by the way, she was also having an affair) and then she starts naming people who would sign her petition. St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa, and St. Joan of Arc were included on the list! This lady is seriously nuts!
I personally did not care for the book-----

But why are you surprised that the woman considered Jesus as basically just a philosopher?
Unfortunately a lot of folks think that way. Not saying it is right, but this IS a Non-Christian “spiritual quest” book.

Also, Saints like Joan Of Arc and Mother Teresa Do transcend their religion—she would probably say that she had a right to appropriagte them for her own use.

Again, not saying this is right, but this is a Non-Christian book. Next time, let’s stay away from Oprah-promoted books that peddle New Age theology, Ok???👍
 
I’ve managed to avoid reading the book (the fact that Oprah is so big on it was a significant factor in that) but, from what I have gathered from reviews, etc., the author (main character) is not the sort of person I’d like to spend a lot of time with. That “spiritual but not religious” baloney irritates the heck out of me.
I am very sceptical about anything Oprah W(name removed by moderator)hrey does or says…especially since she made that awful movie called “Beloved”. There’s something not right about her. :confused::rolleyes:🤷
 
If I may be so blunt, this waste of paper is an example of the reason why I prefer Non-fiction books; especially books about the Catholic faith:thumbsup:
Hi Musicadmirer,
One hundred and fifty per cent true!
The thing I find is (and Lost Wanderer will disagree vehemently here) that as you explore the great richness that is Catholicism, you have no recourse to fiction whatsoever.
It is, I maintain, an age-related matter. (But that is stuff for another thread).
I knew an American lady who made a similar EPL voyage to India. She was searching then and perhaps she is still searching. (We lost contact over the years). Yet it was thoroughly a self-centred venture. She is a very talented lady and this seemed like mere indulgence.
The greatness of Catholicism is that it provides a private/public dynamic.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
 
OK, here’s my thing:

Yes, this woman is self-absorbed
Yes, her theology is all messed up
Yes, there were many parts of the story that I did not agree with.

BUT… she had the courage to lay out her spiritual journey before millions of people… even if it is on a lost path. Would we have the courage to do the same? I sure wouldn’t! If I went back 10 years and chronicled my “faith” journey, I’m sure all of you would ardently disagree with me and cluck your tongues at me for my missteps. But people change, God converts hearts! Maybe her next book will be entitled “My Journey to Catholicism”! 😛

I thought the book was a fun, easy read. Like I said, I completely disagree with her theology, but I was able to look past those points and just enjoy the book for its cheap wit and lighthearted moments. It’s a “shallow” read.

Was it the best book I’ve ever read? Far from it. But I wouldn’t call it the worst either. It just…was. 🤷
 
One hundred and fifty per cent true!
The thing I find is (and Lost Wanderer will disagree vehemently here) that as you explore the great richness that is Catholicism, you have no recourse to fiction whatsoever.
Tell that to Tolkien. :rolleyes:
 
Tell that to Tolkien. :rolleyes:
True, but the thing is, Tolkien did not put his Catholicism overtly in his books. I’m not saying his Catholicism did not influence his books, but it was not as OVERT as his dear friend C.S. Lewis, whose Christian Anglicanism is OVERT in his Narnia books.

That is why when the Lord Of The Rings books were made into movies, nobody really complained about any overt Christian message.

However, when the Narnia movies began to be made, there was a lot of controversy about whether the movies should be overtly Christian in tone like the novels (Aslan is Christ, etc.). I personally have no problem with the Narnia books’s Christian message (in fact, I encourage it to be seen in the movies), but Holllywood and the media may disagree. That’s our secular culture for you. 😦
 
True, but the thing is, Tolkien did not put his Catholicism overtly in his books. I’m not saying his Catholicism did not influence his books, but it was not as OVERT as his dear friend C.S. Lewis, whose Christian Anglicanism is OVERT in his Narnia books.
That’s kinda my point really. You don’t immediately see “Christian” when you make your first run through the Trilogy. However, Tolkien was a very devout and may I say very traditional Catholic.

People like Musicaladmirer and colmcille1 over there would then be hard pressed to prove their claim because even someone such as him had a passion for something outside our religion. If the “richness of Catholicism” is so enough that you’ll have “no recourse to fiction whatsoever” then why did Tolkien put in dwarves? Elves? Wizards? The concept of knights and kings was really less of a Catholic concept and more of a medieval one. If the richness was truly, absolutely enough, then why did he not simply make another story of saints, angels, and the Blessed Virgin? Why did he not simply use Aramaic or Latin instead of inventing Elvish? Surely he wouldn’t care if people scoffed at such a work. The “richness” of our religion would have been good enough for him after all. :rolleyes:
However, when the Narnia movies began to be made, there was a lot of controversy about whether the movies should be overtly Christian in tone like the novels (Aslan is Christ, etc.). I personally have no problem with the Narnia books’s Christian message (in fact, I encourage it to be seen in the movies), but Holllywood and the media may disagree. That’s our secular culture for you. 😦
Well that is pretty much why I preferred Tolkien’s style over that of Lewis when it came to your religion influencing your work.
 
That’s kinda my point really. You don’t immediately see “Christian” when you make your first run through the Trilogy. However, Tolkien was a very devout and may I say very traditional Catholic.
People like Musicaladmirer and colmcille1 over there would then be hard pressed to prove their claim because even someone such as him had a passion for something outside our religion. If the “richness of Catholicism” is so enough that you’ll have “no recourse to fiction whatsoever” then why did Tolkien put in dwarves? Elves? Wizards? The concept of knights and kings was really less of a Catholic concept and more of a medieval one. If the richness was truly, absolutely enough, then why did he not simply make another story of saints, angels, and the Blessed Virgin? Why did he not simply use Aramaic or Latin instead of inventing Elvish? Surely he wouldn’t care if people scoffed at such a work. The “richness” of our religion would have been good enough for him after all. :rolleyes:
Well that is pretty much why I preferred Tolkien’s style over that of Lewis when it came to your religion influencing your work.
Hi Lost Wanderer,
'Tis good to chat with you again.
There is nothing wrong with having “a passion for something outside our religion”.
Tolkien was a writer. Writers create, invent. That is their trade. If I choose not to read Tolkien, it does not mean that I condemn what he does. IOW, I do not condemn the act of writing fiction. Also, if I choose not to read Tolkien, this does not mean that my life is sorely lacking in something. My life is continally enriched by Scripture. My imagination is fired by Biblical teaching: its history, laws, poetry and prophecy.
As a practising artist, I derive great inspiration from my Faith. And I also recognise that, along with that inspiration, I am duty-bound by responsibility to said Faith.
I know that any talent I possess is God-given and I must use that talent towards a grateful admittance to Him. When I was a young acquisitive upstart I was drunk on art. Catholicism is sober and giving. That is why books such as EPL are essentially nonsense. They appeal to the lowest common denominator of selfism.
(You will appreciate that I refer to EPL as I do not wish to stray too much off-topic.)
God Bless,
Colmcille.🙂
 
Tolkien was a writer. Writers create, invent. That is their trade. If I choose not to read Tolkien, it does not mean that I condemn what he does. IOW, I do not condemn the act of writing fiction. Also, if I choose not to read Tolkien, this does not mean that my life is sorely lacking in something. My life is continally enriched by Scripture. My imagination is fired by Biblical teaching: its history, laws, poetry and prophecy.
All I’m saying is that reverse can also be true. Just because the Bible isn’t what fires my imagination doesn’t mean its lacking. Aside from Catholicism, Tolkien was heavily influenced greatly by Germanic folklore. Such things are an entirely different well from the Sacred Scripture which you draw inspiration from.
As a practising artist, I derive great inspiration from my Faith. And I also recognise that, along with that inspiration, I am duty-bound by responsibility to said Faith.
I know that any talent I possess is God-given and I must use that talent towards a grateful admittance to Him. When I was a young acquisitive upstart I was drunk on art. Catholicism is sober and giving. That is why books such as EPL are essentially nonsense. They appeal to the lowest common denominator of selfism.
(You will appreciate that I refer to EPL as I do not wish to stray too much off-topic.
Well my purpose for my entry into this thread was originally to ensure that people won’t lump the whole of fiction with something as pathetic is this poor excuse of a slice-of-life novel. I’d rather read about cutesy, Japanese school romance, doki-doki confession scenes, and moe-blob than yet another byproduct of divorced middle-aged women feeling sorry for themselves.

At least the former three don’t take themselves too seriously… :rolleyes:
 
All I’m saying is that reverse can also be true. Just because the Bible isn’t what fires my imagination doesn’t mean its lacking. Aside from Catholicism, Tolkien was heavily influenced greatly by Germanic folklore. Such things are an entirely different well from the Sacred Scripture which you draw inspiration from.

Well my purpose for my entry into this thread was originally to ensure that people won’t lump the whole of fiction with something as pathetic is this poor excuse of a slice-of-life novel. I’d rather read about cutesy, Japanese school romance, doki-doki confession scenes, and moe-blob than yet another byproduct of divorced middle-aged women feeling sorry for themselves.

At least the former three don’t take themselves too seriously… :rolleyes:
Hi Lost Wanderer,
Thank you for your reply.
You make an excellent point and one worthy of contemplation.👍
God Bless,
Colmcille.🙂
 
I think Eat, Pray, Love, as you said, did have a pretty wishy-washy tone and manner, and that the main character shows a really flimsy sort of spirituality. That kind of bugged me as I read it. It was an entertaining book on a very SHALLOW level…not a very “nutritious” read, so to speak. I thought the Italy part was fun to read just because my family is from Italy and it was interesting to compare. 😃 But it wasn’t a great book. Not even a good book. I read one criticism that I think is very accurate; it described the author’s writing as more akin to a “find-yourself” magazine article style than an actual novel.
 
That’s kinda my point really. You don’t immediately see “Christian” when you make your first run through the Trilogy. However, Tolkien was a very devout and may I say very traditional Catholic.

People like Musicaladmirer and colmcille1 over there would then be hard pressed to prove

their claim because even someone such as him had a passion for something outside our religion. If the “richness of Catholicism” is so enough that you’ll have “no recourse to fiction whatsoever” then why did Tolkien put in dwarves? Elves? Wizards? The concept of knights and kings was really less of a Catholic concept and more of a medieval one. If the richness was truly, absolutely enough, then why did he not simply make another story of saints, angels, and the Blessed Virgin? Why did he not simply use Aramaic or Latin instead of inventing Elvish? Surely he wouldn’t care if people scoffed at such a work. The “richness” of our religion would have been good enough for him after all. :rolleyes:

Well that is pretty much why I preferred Tolkien’s style over that of Lewis when it came to your religion influencing your work.
I totally see where you’re coming from, Wanderer. Really I do. But I wonder----where do you draw the line at deemphasizing or basically neutering a novel’s or any other work of art’s overt religious message simpoly because ot might not be “digestible” to certain sensibilities and ideologies?

Tolkien chose to insert his Catholic message subtly and in the background in the Ring Trilogy and The Hobbit. He also mixed it with Germanic and Nordic mythological symbolism and allegory to achieve a work of art that aimed to entertain, please and also make one think at the same time. It is a work of art FIRST with Christian Catholic symbolism and meaning in it.
Tolkien, was, first and foremost, a scholar and professor of Anglo-Saxon languages and writer who happened to be a devout Catholic; and who was NOT a “Defender Of The Faith.”

Lewis, on the other hand, was a Christian apologist and commentator who WAS a “Defender Of The Faith.” And as such, the Christianity in the Narnia books is overt and integral to the back ground and story. As I mentioned before, almost all agree that Aslan is Christ and that the books are an allegory of the Fall and the Second Coming Of Our Lord. They are, in short, CHRISTIAN works of art and were intended to be read and understood as such.

Therefore, in that sense----what is wrong with emphasizing this in the Movies?

Must “political correctness” and “sensitivity” trump neutering and ignoring a book’s Christian message for the sake of the “maximum amount of profits and relatability” that Hollywood seems to aspire to these days? Must “secularity” trump the “heart” of a book’s Christian or otherwise religious message?:confused:

Another example of this that comes to mind is the film version of P.D. James’s The Children Of Men. Anybody familiar with the novel knows of the work’s overt Christian symbolism and sensibility----this was taken out in the movie version with Clive Owen. The director of the movie even admitted he did it deliberately in an interview. While it does not totally dilute and obscure the book’s ultimate meaning, the movie version loses a lot of the “flavor” of the novel and some of its unique sensibility in the process.

So-----do you think ultimately the fact that you PERSONALLY may not like Overt Christian Symbolism in movies trumps overriding a Christian work’s meaning and worth for the sake of “scruples” about making folks like you and Non-Christians (and even Liberal Christians) uncomfortable?😊😊
 
If oprah pushed the book I wasn’t interested. Oprah’s mixing christianity and new age mystcism is tragic because so many people who wont turn to God run out and buy and soak up all that tripe I might have been curious about the movie if a woman who lives a very immoral life (co-worker) hadn’t bragged about how much spiritually she got out if the movie. She said she got more from the movie than going to church even though she is catholic. Anyone pushing new agism or any message different than Christ crucified is leading people down a very wide and comfortable path to their own fall. We cannot engage in promoting that or we are involved in the sin as well But before anyone gets out a flame thrower to call me judgmental yes I went to confession today with my own failing in the holiness area. But we need to engage our time in what is good, pure,edifies, builds up the body of Christ… And EPL and what I confessed to watching last night on tv “ain’t it.”. Oh well my 2 cents. Praise God gor Ewtn, and Andy of Mayberry.

Wait fir instance how many Catholic women do I know say they don’t have time for Sunday mass but never missed an episode if Desparate Housewives. There I’m done. Haha. Excuse typos typed on an iPhone.
 
I totally see where you’re coming from, Wanderer. Really I do. But I wonder----where do you draw the line at deemphasizing or basically neutering a novel’s or any other work of art’s overt religious message simpoly because ot might not be “digestible” to certain sensibilities and ideologies?
Well its easy to say. Doing it can be an entirely different thread altogether.

Let’s simply look at the man himself, how he did it, and try to emulate it. As to how, well it can only be left up to the individual writer’s experience.
Therefore, in that sense----what is wrong with emphasizing this in the Movies?
Perhaps its because it comes off as propaganda. One of the most hard-hitting criticisms against James Cameron’s Avatar was that it promoted the blatantly hippie slogan of humans being resource-devouring, corporate monsters. Why is this hard-hitting? Well its because you can see it for yourself.
Must “political correctness” and “sensitivity” trump neutering and ignoring a book’s Christian message for the sake of the “maximum amount of profits and relatability” that Hollywood seems to aspire to these days? Must “secularity” trump the “heart” of a book’s Christian or otherwise religious message?:confused:
So-----do you think ultimately the fact that you PERSONALLY may not like Overt Christian Symbolism in movies trumps overriding a Christian work’s meaning and worth for the sake of “scruples” about making folks like you and Non-Christians (and even Liberal Christians) uncomfortable?😊😊
Well for one, a writer can be just like any other artist. They are focused more on expression and less on preaching. This is why I liked how you highlighted the difference between Tolkien and Lewis. Lewis was an ardent defender of Christianity while Tolkien was simply a Christian man who just happened to be heavily involved with something outside his religion as he was within it.

I believe people like Lewis would be more successful in the industry of self-help literature, philosophy, and moral guidance. These are things that are supposed to teach people. Even Jesus, when he taught in parables, didn’t go as far as to compile them into heavy volumes or present them as dynamic plays. The entertainment industry on the other hand, which focuses less on meaning and more on how it is expressed and produced, is more open to Tolkien because Tolkien first and foremost did not really intend to preach. He, like any other artist, sought to express himself.
 
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