Echoing God's Word - NAF conference

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Do any of you have experience with the North American Forum’s conference titled, “Echoing God’s Word”?

One of the first things they plan to cover is
" • To prepare homilists and catechists to help people move beyond fundamentalism and privatism regarding both Scripture and Catholic teaching"

I am suspect of the NAF from previous experience, and this threw up flags. I’d like to know the experience of anyone (good or bad) who has been to this particular conference. Thank you!
 
IMO, having only researched, I think your concern is appropriate: The USCCB Initiated in 1986 and has Jurisdiction for RCIA and it’s Formation, not any New, independent group which may well have it’s Own Agenda. The New American Forumn itself is a totally Business/Finance focused group, trying to use National Leaders. IMO, Focus on Business, instead of Morals is The Concern here. Thanks for your Post, for our thoughts, experiences. The Catholic Church, through it’s regional Bishops Conferences have the Moral, Teaching, and Catechizing authority, [SIGN] answering to The Vatican, Magesterium and The Holy Father[/SIGN].
Who do the 'NAF Catechumens' answer to? Hopefully not the NAF Business, Economics group. As our Lord taught, keep business/financial interests seperate from The Church/Christ. "Echoing God's Word" is also the Bishop's Fundraising Appeal title in several dioceses. Am eager for other's thoughts, previous experiences also. Thanks for your Question/Thread. :tiphat:
 
AntalKalnoky said:
IMO, having only researched, I think your concern is appropriate: The USCCB Initiated in 1986 and has Jurisdiction for RCIA and it’s Formation, not any New, independent group which may well have it’s Own Agenda. The New American Forumn itself is a totally Business/Finance focused group, trying to use National Leaders. IMO, Focus on Business, instead of Morals is The Concern here. Thanks for your Post, for our thoughts, experiences. The Catholic Church, through it’s regional Bishops Conferences have the Moral, Teaching, and Catechizing authority, [SIGN] answering to The Vatican, Magesterium and The Holy Father[/SIGN].
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                                                                                                                     Who     do the    'NAF  Catechumens'   answer  to?   Hopefully not the  NAF  Business,  Economics  group.  As  our Lord    taught,   keep  business/financial  interests  seperate  from  The  Church/Christ. "Echoing   God's  Word"  is     also the   Bishop's  Fundraising   Appeal  title in several    dioceses.   Am  eager  for  other's  thoughts, previous  experiences   also.   Thanks  for your  Question/Thread.  :tiphat:
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Actually the North American Formus does answer to the Bishops. They have been in existence since 1981 so it is not “new.” They do not focus on business. They offer workshops for those who are on catechumenate teams. They are not in it for the money. I coordinated a workshop for our diocese and I know that they really didn’t make money off of us, in fact they may have lost money.

The thing that the OP objected to “to help people move beyond fundamentalism and privatism regarding both Scripture and Catholic teaching,” is of great concern, especially with those working with certain Protestant denominations that are very fundamentalist in their interpretation of scripture, and persist in their belief on individual interpretaion of scripture and teachings. Even among some Catholics, there are those who interpret scripture their own way as well as their own rationalization of Church teaching. What Forum is saying is that homilies should reflect what the Church teaches about Scripture and doctrine, not private interpretation.
 
My concern is not whether they are profitable, but Their Orientation: Promoting Big Money and Business interests, Policies, attitudes as the NAF tries with leading Politiscians. The focus on fundamentalism, and then hopeful add on about Catholicism, which differs so much fromn Fundies: The Mass and the Eucharist have been The Catholic Church since Our Lord told The Apostles to do in his Remembrance. 30 years is Very Very new, same as the Financial Interests promoting priority NAF.
  • The Orientation is Very dangerous, as proven by the 1980’s and 2001 Presidential Radical Policies For Biggest Financial Interests have Bankrupted the USA and world Economically and Never Once Prosecuting Major Finacial and SEC Violations of Milllions/Billions. They used the “Pro-Life” label to swing some of Our Votes to their massivelly destructive to the USA and our Grandchildren Agenda. The same Priorities Tea Party have Detroyed the Historic USA Ideal Credit Rating by Blocking Tax increases on the Richest 4% Only. Biggest Money Interests are The World and USA Problem. Big Money Greed, destruction of Social Concerns are Opposite of Catholic and Our Lord’s Policies.
 
AntalKalnoky said:
My concern is not whether they are profitable, but Their Orientation: Promoting Big Money and Business interests, Policies, attitudes as the NAF tries with leading Politiscians. The focus on fundamentalism, and then hopeful add on about Catholicism, which differs so much fromn Fundies: The Mass and the Eucharist have been The Catholic Church since Our Lord told The Apostles to do in his Remembrance. 30 years is Very Very new, same as the Financial Interests promoting priority NAF.
  • The Orientation is Very dangerous, as proven by the 1980’s and 2001 Presidential Radical Policies For Biggest Financial Interests have Bankrupted the USA and world Economically and Never Once Prosecuting Major Finacial and SEC Violations of Milllions/Billions. They used the “Pro-Life” label to swing some of Our Votes to their massivelly destructive to the USA and our Grandchildren Agenda. The same Priorities Tea Party have Detroyed the Historic USA Ideal Credit Rating by Blocking Tax increases on the Richest 4% Only. Biggest Money Interests are The World and USA Problem. Big Money Greed, destruction of Social Concerns are Opposite of Catholic and Our Lord’s Policies.
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I really don’t understand how you are associating the North American Forum with politics and financial interests.
 
are you sure we are talking about the same thing? OP is asking about the North American Forum on the Catechumenate which has no political agenda and is a non-profit organization.

I have not taken the workshop in question but wish I could, as the topic is becoming more to the fore in my work.
 
Joannm said:
I really don’t understand how you are associating the North American Forum with politics and financial interests.
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Please search the North American Forum, as I did. The NAF is Business, Financial interests attempt to work with Political Leaders; the “NAF-Catechumes” is Very obviously an attempt to influence Lapsed Catholics and Converts in their financial and Business Attitudes. subtly. Also, it is based on a “Fundamentalist” teaching program, not Catholic and it costs money and extra time for socials. The Only Converts/lapsed Catholic education is by the [SIGN]USCCB>RCIA,CCD[/SIGN], and Fully authorized and answerable to the local Bishop.
I'm Catholic, and support the Catholic Bishops vast programs by Catholic Clergy not an outsider copy, with Different interests than Catholicism.
 
What’s a Business/Financial group doing teaching Religion? :confused::confused:
 
AntalKalnoky said:
Please search the North American Forum, as I did. The NAF is Business, Financial interests attempt to work with Political Leaders; the “NAF-Catechumes” is Very obviously an attempt to influence Lapsed Catholics and Converts in their financial and Business Attitudes. subtly. Also, it is based on a “Fundamentalist” teaching program, not Catholic and it costs money and extra time for socials. The Only Converts/lapsed Catholic education is by the [SIGN]USCCB>RCIA,CCD[/SIGN], and Fully authorized and answerable to the local Bishop.
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                                                                                                                     I'm  Catholic,  and support   the  Catholic  Bishops vast programs by Catholic  Clergy  not  an  outsider  copy,  with  Different interests  than  Catholicism.
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You are looking up the wrong North American Forum. North American Forum on the Catechumenate has nothing to do with business, finance or government. naforum.org/wordpress/
 
Joannm said:
You are looking up the wrong North American Forum. North American Forum on the Catechumenate has nothing to do with business, finance or government. naforum.org/wordpress/
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(1) The Founder, James Schellman has a vast worldwide Business network, including “religion and spirituality” in every state; (2) North American Forum is a Registered, copyrighted name, and can not ‘borrowed’.
The NAF is All Busines/Financial Promtion with leading politiscians. Please correct me if I’m Wrong. I seriously doubt it. Why not the USCCB RCIA and CCD, Charismatic, etc., etc.?
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                                                                                                                     It's good to do  background research:    who,  what is behind  any  Religious  organization  that  does not have Catholic origin.  There  can't be   2  North  American Forumns, like there  can't be  2  Any  Business names  with different  ownerships.  God Bless.                                                                                                                             Search   North  American Forum  on the Catechumenate  Founder,  History; then the  Founder's  Name  for His  interests.
 
AntalKalnoky said:
(1) The Founder, James Schellman has a vast worldwide Business network, including “religion and spirituality” in every state; (2) North American Forum is a Registered, copyrighted name, and can not ‘borrowed’.
The NAF is All Busines/Financial Promtion with leading politiscians. Please correct me if I’m Wrong. I seriously doubt it. Why not the USCCB RCIA and CCD, Charismatic, etc., etc.?
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                                                                                                                     It's good to do  background research:    who,  what is behind  any  Religious  organization  that  does not have Catholic origin.  There  can't be   2  North  American Forumns, like there  can't be  2  Any  Business names  with different  ownerships.  God Bless.                                                                                                                             Search   North  American Forum  on the Catechumenate  Founder,  History; then the  Founder's  Name  for His  interests.
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Jim Schellman did not found the North American Forum on the Catechumenate or NAFC (notice this is NOT the NAF). NAFC was founded by Father James Dunning. NAFC is accepted by the USCCB.
 
Joannm said:
Jim Schellman did not found the North American Forum on the Catechumenate or NAFC (notice this is NOT the NAF). NAFC was founded by Father James Dunning. NAFC is accepted by the USCCB.
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Please furnish a link or confirmation of your post. The North American Forumn for the Catechumenate is a nebulous website, with Fees and costs, no Contact source of significance. The Founder or source is not listed today; Fr James Dunning is listed as controversial, and “cofounder”. Who or what is the founder? Can you cite Any connection with the USCCB? Or connection with the Catholic Church itself? The Previous search results are missing or altered on today, Monday August 22 2011. Why?
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                                                                                                                    It  does Not look  Catholic;  does  look like  a Business,  as before.  The  name  James Schellman has been removed  as founder.  Fr  Dunning  died years  ago.                          This     nebulous,  Connections  cleared  organization  does  look like  a  Non-Catholic Business  usding   weak    Catholic nebulous  "links".;  Changed  since  I  questioned it  yesterday.   We  just  want The Facts.  We're Catholic.   Practising.                                  We  don't  want to be  used by  Any  Non-Catholic Business  or  Non-Catholic,   speaking  for myself.
 
still off topic as I see, ;surprise surprise

anybody who wants to start a new thread to discuss the actual work shop in ;question? we already have plenty of threads trashing the NAFC so another is not really needed
 
puzzleannie said:
still off topic as I see, ;surprise surprise

anybody who wants to start a new thread to discuss the actual work shop in ;question? we already have plenty of threads trashing the NAFC so another is not really needed
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Wasn’t I Preciselly On Topic with post #12? Tried to be. No one has Yet connecrted the North American Forumn on Catechumens directly with the Catholic Church. Anyone? One has to look at the Source of the workshop, just like Who is trying for our Credit Card numbers. :rolleyes::cool: The supporting Cardinal and a few Diocese have stopped listing support they had at time of the OP question. 🤷
 
It quickly became apparent that Antal was way off in the sticks. Unfortunate. I did want to hear more about the conference and experiences, but I think he/she’s run off anyone who might want to join the conversation.
 
Colettine said:
It quickly became apparent that Antal was way off in the sticks. Unfortunate. I did want to hear more about the conference and experiences, but I think he/she’s run off anyone who might want to join the conversation.
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“Way Off” in what kinds of sticks? Where is my Documentation or Logic or Catholic Defense sourcing off, please. Please document; Opinions/attitudes worthless unless justified. I learrned Unbiased Searching for Truth in Catholic Grade through College Schools. The Church teaches Searching for Truth Always, to dispel errors and biases. ;)😃 Why have the Few Diocese and One Cardinal dropped their support for the OP NAF-Catechumens, please, since I Researched and furnished Answers tio the OP.
 
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