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I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
 
Jim_Baur said:
simpletoremember.com/articles/a/einstein/

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
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Einstein’s religious views were ambiguous at best.
 
He said, “I can’t conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures”.

So you have to wonder if he had any religion at all.

Interesting that this quote doesn’t appear on that long list of quotes on that website.

Why not?
Because it would make people raise their eyebrows about Einstein who is that website’s hero.
 
empther said:
He said, “I can’t conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures”.

So you have to wonder if he had any religion at all.

Interesting that this quote doesn’t appear on that long list of quotes on that website.

Why not?
Because it would make people raise their eyebrows about Einstein who is that website’s hero.
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I don’t know of anyone who views Einstein as a religious leader, so the absence of that quote is hardly nefarious. In fact, the site creator is probably a person of Christian, Muslim or Jewish faith, because those faiths can conceive of a God who rewards and punished his creatures.
 
I am the OP.

I placed this in the philosophy section because Einstein is not religious.

He was thinking like Plato or Aristotle.

Many of us know that there is a *logos.

*As a Catholic, I believe much more than that. I believe He is loving! And much more than that, too!
 
empther said:
He said, “I can’t conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures”.
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He was a deist, not a theist.

He believed in a divine Cause behind the universe, but he did not credit that cause with a personal interest in the fate of the creatures created.

One wonders if he ever rewarded or punished his own children, or whether he was completely indifferent to them.

There is some evidence to suggest that he was cold or indifferent to the fate of his children.
 
Charlemagne_III said:
He was a deist, not a theist.

He believed in a divine Cause behind the universe, but he did not credit that cause with a personal interest in the fate of the creatures created.

One wonders if he ever rewarded or punished his own children, or whether he was completely indifferent to them.

There is some evidence to suggest that he was cold or indifferent to the fate of his children.
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Perhaps Einstein created a god in his own image and likeness?
 
As the old joke goes, God created man in His image and likeness, and man has been doing the same, making god in man’s image and likeness.
 
Jim_Baur said:
As the old joke goes, God created man in His image and likeness, and man has been doing the same, making god in man’s image and likeness.
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Why do you think that is a joke? What do you think religions are? Why do you think there is a “Father” and a “Son?” In a patriarchal dynamic, why isn’t the “Holy Spirit” called “Mother?” Why is the whole point of belief structured on the ignorance of an infant or child in a authoritarian family structure? Is there any projection or anthropomorphism going on here? Why does the Biblical God use external force, including slaughter and genocide? Did Empeter claim that Einstein’s take on punishment would raise eyebrows stem from that fear of abandonment of authority and structure imposed from outside? Where is the maturity in this? Is it any wonder that often the first step in a spiritual maturity is, like the rebellion of a teen ager, atheism?
 
Sochi said:
Why do you think that is a joke? What do you think religions are? Why do you think there is a “Father” and a “Son?” In a patriarchal dynamic, why isn’t the “Holy Spirit” called “Mother?” Why is the whole point of belief structured on the ignorance of an infant or child in a authoritarian family structure? Is there any projection or anthropomorphism going on here? Why does the Biblical God use external force, including slaughter and genocide? Did Empeter claim that Einstein’s take on punishment would raise eyebrows stem from that fear of abandonment of authority and structure imposed from outside? Where is the maturity in this? Is it any wonder that often the first step in a spiritual maturity is, like the rebellion of a teen ager, atheism?
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Too many questions, which I believe you feel have the same answer.
Projection is going on, but I believe it to be your projections onto the God’s holy Church.
Things are not as you think they are.
I’m not sure there is any point that I can connect to.
Seriously, “the first step in a spiritual maturity is, like the rebellion of a teen ager, atheism”???
The first step is the realization of God’s existence. Our most important relationship unfolds from there.
 
Aloysium said:
Too many questions, which I believe you feel have the same answer.
Projection is going on, but I believe it to be your projections onto the God’s holy Church.
Things are not as you think they are.
I’m not sure there is any point that I can connect to.
Seriously, “the first step in a spiritual maturity is, like the rebellion of a teen ager, atheism”???
The first step is the realization of God’s existence. Our most important relationship unfolds from there.
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Thanks for your comment, Aloysium. The most telling part of it that you re-stated what I had proposed as a possible conditional as a blanket, or “allness” statement. That discrepancy would seem to distribute over the rest of your thinking as exemplified here. Also, my observations pertain to religion in general, not yours in particular, which is where you took it and so spoke defensively with no need. Also , you didn’t state what you believe my “feeling” is. I’m guessing you think I am an atheist. I am not. What I am also not is a fan of sloppy thinking, which, if one is going to be an apologist for the Faith, as I have been, one ought not indulge in.

One of the earmarks of insecurity is the leaping to the defense of something that doesn’t need it. Since I was not attacking you of your faith in particular, only making a general observation, you did a nice job of that by not being more analytically of my statement and jumping to an unwarranted conclusion before you started. This is kind of like a person having something mentioned, say as a point of etiquette, and interpreting it as a racial slur. I think you may have taken emotional exception to my suggestion due to the nature of your own faith, and a naivety regarding some of the ways people might arrive at conclusion abut anything farther down the road. Perhaps you aren’t aware the rebellious teens most often reconcile with their parents, for instance, but from a far more experienced and mature standpoint.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Jim_Baur said:
I am the OP.

I placed this in the philosophy section because Einstein is not religious.

He was thinking like Plato or Aristotle.

Many of us know that there is a *logos.

*As a Catholic, I believe much more than that. I believe He is loving! And much more than that, too!
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As a Deist I believe he is unconcerned with the particulars. But we agree that there does seem to be a logic (logos) to the universe.
 
Sochi said:
Thanks for your comment, Aloysium. The most telling part of it that you re-stated what I had proposed as a possible conditional as a blanket, or “allness” statement. That discrepancy would seem to distribute over the rest of your thinking as exemplified here. Also, my observations pertain to religion in general, not yours in particular, which is where you took it and so spoke defensively with no need. Also , you didn’t state what you believe my “feeling” is. I’m guessing you think I am an atheist. I am not. What I am also not is a fan of sloppy thinking, which, if one is going to be an apologist for the Faith, as I have been, one ought not indulge in.

One of the earmarks of insecurity is the leaping to the defense of something that doesn’t need it. Since I was not attacking you of your faith in particular, only making a general observation, you did a nice job of that by not being more analytically of my statement and jumping to an unwarranted conclusion before you started. This is kind of like a person having something mentioned, say as a point of etiquette, and interpreting it as a racial slur. I think you may have taken emotional exception to my suggestion due to the nature of your own faith, and a naivety regarding some of the ways people might arrive at conclusion abut anything farther down the road. Perhaps you aren’t aware the rebellious teens most often reconcile with their parents, for instance, but from a far more experienced and mature standpoint.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Huh?
 
Charlemagne_III said:
One wonders if he ever rewarded or punished his own children, or whether he was completely indifferent to them.

There is some evidence to suggest that he was cold or indifferent to the fate of his children.
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I wonder how much he interacted with them. It’s said he conceived a daughter a year before he married. Her fate is unknown. After marriage he had two sons but then started to have an affair with his cousin. He left his family two years after the affair started but did not divorce until about 7 years after that. After the divorce he saw little of his children. He married his cousin and started an affair with another woman. For me this all brings into question his ability to make string emotional connections.

Great scientist and flawed human being…
 
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