Elias = Elijah?

[PoorKnight]

Hey folks,
I was writing an explaination of the Catholic position on relics when I ran across a passage in Sirach that stated that Elias’ body prophesised and performed miracles after death (48:14-15)

In doing further research I learned that per the Catholic Encyclopidia, Elias is another name given to Elijah. But then my problem became, if Elias is Elijah, and Elijah was taken into heaven in a chariot, how was his body around to prophesy and perform miracles?

This isn’t earth shattering or anything, I’m mostly just curious.

Thanks and God Bless

 

[RPRPsych]

Hey folks,
I was writing an explaination of the Catholic position on relics when I ran across a passage in Sirach that stated that Elias’ body prophesised and performed miracles after death (48:14-15)

In doing further research I learned that per the Catholic Encyclopidia, Elias is another name given to Elijah. But then my problem became, if Elias is Elijah, and Elijah was taken into heaven in a chariot, how was his body around to prophesy and perform miracles?

This isn’t earth shattering or anything, I’m mostly just curious.

Thanks and God Bless

I think the reference there is to Elisha (Eliseus), Elijah (Elias)'s successor. His body “prophesied after death”, in that a dead man who came into contact with his bones was resuscitated (2 Kings, 13:21 - or 4 Kings if you’re using the Douay-Rheims).

**4 Kings 13:21 And some that were burying a man, saw the rovers, and cast the body into the sepulchre of Eliseus. And when it had touched the bones of Eliseus, the man came to life and stood upon his feet.
**

The passage in Sirach should be read from verse 13 onwards, so that it’s clear that Elisha (Eliseus) is the one meant:

**Sir 48:13 Elias was indeed covered with the whirlwind, and his spirit was filled up in Eliseus: in his days he feared not the prince, and no man was more powerful than he.
Sir 48:14 No word could overcome him, and after death his body prophesied.
Sir 48:15 In his life he did great wonders, and in death he wrought miracles.
**

Hope this helps!

 

[Iron_Donkey]

You had me confused for a minute there, but after some googling, I believe the scripture passage you are referring to is 4 Kings 13:21, and the prophet whose bones were involved was Elisha, not Elias/Elijah. I believe Elisha was a follower of Elijah.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha

Edit: seems I type slow, and RPRPsych beat me. What he said.

 

[jcrichton]

Hey folks,
I was writing an explaination of the Catholic position on relics when I ran across a passage in Sirach that stated that Elias’ body prophesised and performed miracles after death (48:14-15)

In doing further research I learned that per the Catholic Encyclopidia, Elias is another name given to Elijah. But then my problem became, if Elias is Elijah, and Elijah was taken into heaven in a chariot, how was his body around to prophesy and perform miracles?

This isn’t earth shattering or anything, I’m mostly just curious.

Thanks and God Bless

…did you know the Jesus of Nazareth is not the first Jesus found in Scriptures… for Elias (Elisha) to be Elijah (same person) that would mean that somehow Yahweh did some cloning and had Elijah live a duality where he is his own servant-apprentice and existing at different temporal levels (Elijah being his own older “brother”)…

Could it be that Elias is simply another version of Elijah (name) as Bill, Will, William?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[GEddie]

The dead body whO “prophesied” was not Elijah but Elisha, his disciple.

The name Elias is simply the Greek translation of Elijah.

ICXC NIKA

 

[patrick457]

…did you know the Jesus of Nazareth is not the first Jesus found in Scriptures… for Elias (Elisha) to be Elijah (same person) that would mean that somehow Yahweh did some cloning and had Elijah live a duality where he is his own servant-apprentice and existing at different temporal levels (Elijah being his own older “brother”)…

Could it be that Elias is simply another version of Elijah (name) as Bill, Will, William?

Maran atha!

Angel

As mentioned, Elias is the Greek version of Eliyahu (Elijah). As for other names:

Iesous (Jesus) = Ye(ho)shua (Joshua/Jeshua)
Ioudas (Judas) = Yehudah (Judah)
Iakobos (James) = Ya’aqob (Jacob)
Ionas (Jonas) = Yonah (Jonah)
Moyses = Mosheh (Moses)
Esaias (Isaias) = Yishayahu (Isaiah)
Aggaios (Aggeus) = Haggai
Obdios (Abdias) = Obadyah (Obadiah)

 

[jcrichton]

As mentioned, Elias is the Greek version of Eliyahu (Elijah). As for other names:

Iesous (Jesus) = Ye(ho)shua (Joshua/Jeshua)
Ioudas (Judas) = Yehudah (Judah)
Iakobos (James) = Ya’aqob (Jacob)
Ionas (Jonas) = Yonah (Jonah)
Moyses = Mosheh (Moses)
Esaias (Isaias) = Yishayahu (Isaiah)
Aggaios (Aggeus) = Haggai
Obdios (Abdias) = Obadyah (Obadiah)

That was my point; I understood the OP to mean that Elijah was taken into Heaven and yet stayed in the flesh as his servant/disciple Elisha… so the argument would be the Elias was not his servant/disciple but Elijah himself as Bill, Will, and William can designate the same individual and not necessarily three versions of the same person.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[patrick457]

That was my point; I understood the OP to mean that Elijah was taken into Heaven and yet stayed in the flesh as his servant/disciple Elisha… so the argument would be the Elias was not his servant/disciple but Elijah himself as Bill, Will, and William can designate the same individual and not necessarily three versions of the same person.

Maran atha!

Angel

The passage:

Elias was indeed covered with the whirlwind, and his spirit was filled up in Eliseus: in his days he feared not the prince, and no man was more powerful than he. No word could overcome him, and after death his body prophesied. In his life he did great wonders, and is death he wrought miracles.

The “him” refers to Elisha (Eliseus) and “his body” to Elisha’s corpse.

 

[jcrichton]

The passage:

Elias was indeed covered with the whirlwind, and his spirit was filled up in Eliseus: in his days he feared not the prince, and no man was more powerful than he. No word could overcome him, and after death his body prophesied. In his life he did great wonders, and is death he wrought miracles.

The “him” refers to Elisha (Eliseus) and “his body” to Elisha’s corpse.

…I was referring to the OP’s question not the actual Biblical passage… but thanks for the clarifications!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[PoorKnight]

Ah, Looks like I must have read something wrong. I thought it was Elias’ body who prophesied and performed miracles but looks like it was Elisha’s body… my bad. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

God bless

 

[thistle]

Elias = Elijah

oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Elias

 

[jcrichton]

Ah, Looks like I must have read something wrong. I thought it was Elias’ body who prophesied and performed miracles but looks like it was Elisha’s body… my bad. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

God bless

…yeah, here’s the passage:

20 Elisha died and was buried. Bands of Moabites were making incursions into the country every year. 21 Some people happened to be carrying a man out for burial; at the sight of one of these bands, they flung the man into the tomb of Elisha and made off. The man had no sooner touched the bones of Elisha than he came to life and stood up on his feet. (2 Kings 13:20-21)

…and the chariot’s incident:

9 When they had crossed, Elijah said to Elisha, ‘Make your request. What can I do for you before I am snatched away from you?’ Elisha answered, ‘Let me inherit a double share of your spirit.’ 10 ‘Your request is difficult,’ Elijah said. ‘If you see me while I am being snatched away from you, it will be as you ask; if not, it will not be so.’ 11 Now as they walked on, talking as they went, a chariot of fire appeared and horses of fire coming between the two of them; and Elijah went up to heaven in the whirlwind. 12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, ‘My father! My father! Chariot of Israel and its chargers!’ Then he lost sight of him, and taking hold of his own clothes he tore them in half. 13 He picked up Elijah’s cloak which had fallen, and went back and stood on the bank of the Jordan. 14 He took Elijah’s cloak and struck the water. ‘Where is Yahweh, the God of Elijah?’ he cried. As he struck the water it divided to right and left, and Elisha crossed over. (2 Kings 2:9-14)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hey folks,
I was writing an explaination of the Catholic position on relics when I ran across a passage in Sirach that stated that Elias’ body prophesised and performed miracles after death (48:14-15)

In doing further research I learned that per the Catholic Encyclopidia, Elias is another name given to Elijah. But then my problem became, if Elias is Elijah, and Elijah was taken into heaven in a chariot, how was his body around to prophesy and perform miracles?

This isn’t earth shattering or anything, I’m mostly just curious.

Thanks and God Bless

…just as a matter of “full coverage:”

12 Such was Elijah, who was enveloped in a whirlwind; and Elisha was filled with his spirit; throughout his life no ruler could shake him, and no one could subdue him. 13 No task was too hard for him, and even in death his body prophesied. 14 In his lifetime he performed wonders, and in death his works were marvellous. 15 Despite all this the people did not repent, nor did they give up their sins, until they were herded out of their country and scattered all over the earth; (Sirach 48:12-15)

Maran atha!

Angel