Emergence Theory and the soul?

[YHWH_Christ]

Emergence theory posits that reality is basically a geometric structure and that all of physics at its core is geometry:

A central feature of reality behaving geometrically is that all fundamental particles and forces in nature, including gravity, can transform into one another, through a process called gauge symmetry transformation, in a manner that corresponds precisely to the vertices of the 8-dimensional polytope of a crystal called the E8 lattice.

Specifically, at the planck length there are three dimensional tetrahedron pixels whose state can be collapsed by an observer in a way like binary language, yes and no, on and off, 0 and 1, giving rise to spacetime/reality. They explain their findings as:

Emergence theory focuses on projecting the 8-dimensional E8 crystal to 4D and 3D. When the fundamental 8D cell of the E8 lattice (a shape with 240 vertices known as the “Gosset polytope”) is projected to 4D, two identical, 4D shapes of different sizes are created. The ratio of their sizes is the golden ratio. Each of these shapes are constructed of 600 3-dimensional tetrahedra rotated from one another by a golden-ratio based angle. We refer to this 4D shape as the “600-Cell.” The 600-Cells interact in specific ways (they intersect in 7 golden-ratio related ways and “kiss” in one particular way) to form a 4D quasicrystal. By taking 3D subspaces of this 4D quasicrystal and rotating them from one another at a certain angle, we form a 3D quasicrystal that has one type of proto-tile: a 3D tetrahedron.

From this they conclude that the universe has a base consciousness which inhabits every tetrahedron in order to collapse their state since without an observer, as in traditional Quantum Mechanics, the state does not collapse and there is no way to measure it unless there is collapse of the wave function. According to Emergence Theory, consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe and higher beings like us who have gone through the complex process of evolution we have been able to achieve a much higher level of consciousness. But in their own words, which are much more articulate than mine:

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[YHWH_Christ]

We view consciousness as both emergent and fundamental. In its fundamental form, consciousness exists inside every tetrahedron/pixel in the 3D quasicrystal in the form of something we call viewing vectors. Think of viewing vectors as micro-scale observers in the traditional quantum mechanical sense. These observers actualize reality by making ultra-fast, Planck scale choices about the binary states of the pixels (on, off, left, right) at every moment in time. This fundamental, primitive, yet highly sophisticated form of consciousness steers the patterns on the quasicrystalline point-space toward more and more meaning. Eventually consciousness expands into higher degrees of order such as nature and life as we know it. From there life and consciousness keep expanding, growing exponentially, into all corners of the universe. Imagine humankind one day populating trillions of galaxies, its instantaneous communicative channels and high levels of consciousness growing over time into a massive, universal-scale neural network––a collective consciousness of sorts. This collective consciousness conceives the fundamental, “primitive” consciousness that powers the quasicrystal from which it emerges.

What are we as Christians to think of this? Certainly the notion that spacetime is geometric is not new, that was a philosophical interpretation of Einstein’s general relativity. But what are we to think of this?

 

[Freddy]

What’s your opinion on those who think that a Gosset polytope may have less that the required 240 latices? The shapes of the 3 dimensional tetrahydra would then be incompatible with the 4 dimensional shapes of a quasicrystal (obviously assuming that proto-tiles are non linear and subdirectional in their indeterminate latice form).

 

[tomo_pomo]

What are we as Christians to think of this? Certainly the notion that spacetime is geometric is not new, that was a philosophical interpretation of Einstein’s general relativity. But what are we to think of this?

Proof that soul exists? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

 

[webmasterpdx]

The Gosset Polytope was discovered in 1900, so it predates Einstein. This isn’t my area of expertise, but my understanding is that to get solutions to some of physics questions, they added a dimension and ended up with an unsolvable equation, so they added another dimension and repeated the process, and so on and so on until they arrived at a set of polyhedra for a solution. They did the same thing with string theory and 11 dimensions. It’s all theory and they still end up with an unsolvable equation, though somewhat bounded. The other thing I’d say is that some of the dimensions are major dimensions (as we see them with length, breadth and height) and others are minor dimensions (in that the freedom of movement might be only tiny distances). Overall, I think that we cannot judge consciousness from the perspective of a structure. Maybe if we can model the brain with a computer (we are almost there)…but I suspect that consciousness is more than just neurons…

 

[Vico]

We view consciousness as both emergent and fundamental.
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What are we as Christians to think of this? Certainly the notion that spacetime is geometric is not new, that was a philosophical interpretation of Einstein’s general relativity. But what are we to think of this?

Catholic dogma is that creation is ex nihilo and also that the created human soul is a spiritual being since it is composed of a substance which is not material.

 

[lelinator]

Emergence theory posits that reality is basically a geometric structure and that all of physics at its core is geometry:

I’ve considered such theories before, but to be honest, for the most part they simply confuse me. However, I don’t think that reality is at its most fundamental level, geometric. I think that there must be something more fundamental that gives rise to those geometric patterns. Thus I don’t think that the patterns are a brute fact, I think that they’re a natural consequence of an underlying cause, and I think that consciousness is also a natural consequence of that underlying cause.

Although I believe that there must be an underlying cause, I don’t think that that underlying cause needs to have intent.

 

[Richca]

According to the Catholic faith which we believe to be the truth from God and sound philosophy, every human soul is immediately created by God at the conception of every human being. The human soul is spiritual and immortal. It is not a product of the material/physical world or emerge from it. It is beyond physics. Our bodies are a part of the material/physical world.

 

[YHWH_Christ]

Ok but what if science disproves that? I believe in the same thing you do and I want to reconcile what we observe in reality with our faith otherwise our faith is meaningless.