England's First Female Bishop

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Women can not even be priests. If God did not want women to be ordained I seriously doubt he wants Protestant churches to ordain women.
 
Watch the liberals say that the Catholic Church needs this kind of “reform” to stay relevant, while I wager the decline of attendance at the Anglican church will only increase. It’s sad that people think this kind of know-towing to the secular worldview will help Christianity.

Also shame on Mr. Welby for destroying the ecumenical movement between Rome and England to appease the world.
 
Estevao said:
Watch the liberals say that the Catholic Church needs this kind of “reform” to stay relevant, while I wager the decline of attendance at the Anglican church will only increase. It’s sad that people think this kind of know-towing to the secular worldview will help Christianity.

Also shame on Mr. Welby for destroying the ecumenical movement between Rome and England to appease the world.
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I think Welby said recently that this might split the C of E apart. I wouldn’t be surprised.
 
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Why do you relate this appointment to a “secular worldview”?
There are Theists who believe women should be Bishops, and Atheists who think they should not. It’s got nothing to do with a “secular worldview”.

It sounds as thought the Church leaders gave it a lot of thought over many decades–reverently, discreetly, advisedly, soberly, and solemnly.
And decided this was a wise decision.
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There are many theists who support the secular worldview, but their religion is an entirely private matter for them. It’s like the slew of “catholic” politicians who are pro-choice, they’ll say “I’m personally opposed to abortion, but I don’t want to enforce that view on others.” Simply having theists support this worldview doesn’t make it any less secular. The secular worldview is that things should be governed in society without any reference to God. The only way that the Church of England could have overturned a male-only episcopate is with reference to prevailing secular mores instead of the inspired and revealed word of God (1 Timothy 2:11-15) and church tradition.
I think it would make Anglican attendance go up, not down!
I guess we shall find out.
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That’s why I find it so sad. You have these sweet old people, the product of the sixties revolutionary mindset, who are probably genuine in their desire to spread the gospel and save souls, but who try this failed mindset of revolutionizing religion to appeal to modern folks. It’s what the “mainline” protestant churches in the united states have been doing for decades and their membership has declined a lot.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Why do you relate this appointment to a “secular worldview”?
There are Theists who believe women should be Bishops, and Atheists who think they should not. It’s got nothing to do with a “secular worldview”.

It has plenty to do with a secular worldview. The Church of England is well known for its corruption; this is not me trying to be ‘mean’ but it is me speaking truth.

It sounds as thought the Church leaders gave it a lot of thought over many decades–reverently, discreetly, advisedly, soberly, and solemnly.
And decided this was a wise decision.

The church is Protestant; whether you like it or not, it is a false church, and its sacraments are invalid, and I’d even say on the way to being spiritually dead. While the Anglican church can change its views at any time, without regard to the church fathers, scripture, and sacred tradition, this will not be the case with the Catholic church. I’m sure militant secularists the world around would rejoice at Catholics slaughtering their own spirituality and leaving it to rot in the quagmire of today’s culture. This will not happen.

I think it would make Anglican attendance go up, not down!
I guess we shall find out.

That may have been the whole point. The Anglican church is not the Catholic church. While the Anglican church may kneel before secularism completely one day, it is also possible the Anglican church can stop shooting itself with continuous disregard for the early church father’s teachings, sacred tradition, and indeed, scripture.

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The church can change doctrine; mysteries can be revealed, but dogma? It cannot change, and last I checked, having priests as men is dogma. Secularists may have defeated the church of England, but the Catholic church will not bend its knee to a militant secularist agenda; even if it seems appealing to the culture at large. Our church has dealt with Pagan societies before. It will not falter in God’s mission, and it will not end up like the Church of England; women cannot, and will never be priests or bishops. This is the way God designed things. Men and women are different, and those differences are to be celebrated.

If this came across as harsh or rude, then you have my apologies. Though I cannot sit idly by while these things are being spoken.
 
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