Enoch, Elijah and Moses?

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Well, Jesus is fully God and fully man. How can the man part breathe there? Ditto for Mary? Again, because they’re Glorified?

Richca, do you have any idea?
The glorified bodies of Jesus and Mary are immortal and incorruptible. They do not need to eat food or drink water to sustain them as we do here on earth. By the same token, I do not see any reason for their bodies to be dependent on an exterior oxygen source or supply to be sustained. St Paul says that glorified bodies are as it were spiritual bodies, not that the bodies of Jesus and Mary are not composed of flesh and bones, they are made out of matter and are physical just as are the bodies we have now and which we hope to rise with again on the last day. But, just as a spirit does not need food, drink, or an exterior oxygen source and supply to survive, so neither does a glorified body which is wholly dominated by the spiritual soul.
 
Yes, Jesus and Mary are bodily in heaven because they are glorified for one thing. In your original post you say you are contemplating the location of heaven presumably the heaven we hope to go to someday, this is a good question. In the language of scripture, heaven is upwards, i.e, above the earth even as the created heavens are where the sun, moon, and stars are located and from where the rain falls. It is an article of the catholic faith which we recite in the creed and as it is told in scripture that Jesus ascended into heaven:
"And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.
And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,
and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (Acts 1: 9-11).

St Paul says that Christ ascended far above all the heavens (Ephesians 4:10).

Heaven is also the term scripture uses as the place of God’s throne. This would be as it were the 'highest heaven, ’ the third heaven of which St Paul speaks of. “Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool” (Isaiah 66:1). God is seen depicted as the King and Lord of creation, enthroned above it as it were as the throne of a king on earth in his palace is placed above his subjects who are beneath it. However, also, God is everywhere and creation is in God for ‘in him we live and move and have our being.’ Scripture also speaks of God’s glory as above the heavens.

The scholastic theologians speculated about heaven of course as well as its location and what could be known about it from Holy Scripture which is the word of God. The common opinion then was that the heaven we are speaking of and to which we hope to go to someday wherein the holy angels also dwell as their natural abode is an actual corporeal place created by God, the highest created heaven which they called the empyrean heaven. This highest heaven is beyond the visible heavens, it is invisible. Although maybe this invisible heaven where the blessed souls and holy angels enjoy the beatific vision of God is in the same place as the visible heavens but which is invisible. There are quite a few references in the Holy Scriptures such as the book of Revelation and John’s visions where it says that the heavens were opened or parted; the heavens were also opened at Jesus’ baptism. Does this mean the heaven of God’s dwelling beyond the visible heavens or a vision of the heaven of God’s dwelling in the created visible heavens but which is invisible? Good question. This is something one can contemplate while reading, studying, and prayerfully meditating on scripture as well as reading what the fathers of the church, doctors and saints may have said or speculated about.

At the end of the world, God is going to create a new heavens and a new earth or renew the present one. And this is going to be heaven for us while at the same time enjoying the beatific vision.

The scriptures speak of the angels as the host of heaven or occupants of the heavens (cf. Psalm 148) and the bible begins with the words “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” It seems that the heaven the blessed souls go to after departing this life and the abode of the holy angels is some created place. This heaven is also called God’s dwelling or throne in the sense I believe that God dwells there in a special manner to the blessed. In another sense, God’s ‘natural home’ as it were is not something created as he is uncreated and not in a place as he is everywhere. Only God is everywhere which means that creatures must be somewhere, a place I think created by God. This last is a more deeply involved philosophical and theological question.
Since Jesus is fully God and fully man, is He everywhere, too?
 
Yes, Jesus and Mary are bodily in heaven because they are glorified for one thing. In your original post you say you are contemplating the location of heaven presumably the heaven we hope to go to someday, this is a good question. In the language of scripture, heaven is upwards, i.e, above the earth even as the created heavens are where the sun, moon, and stars are located and from where the rain falls. It is an article of the catholic faith which we recite in the creed and as it is told in scripture that Jesus ascended into heaven:
"And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.
And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,
and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (Acts 1: 9-11).

St Paul says that Christ ascended far above all the heavens (Ephesians 4:10).

Heaven is also the term scripture uses as the place of God’s throne. This would be as it were the 'highest heaven, ’ the third heaven of which St Paul speaks of. “Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool” (Isaiah 66:1). God is seen depicted as the King and Lord of creation, enthroned above it as it were as the throne of a king on earth in his palace is placed above his subjects who are beneath it. However, also, God is everywhere and creation is in God for ‘in him we live and move and have our being.’ Scripture also speaks of God’s glory as above the heavens.

The scholastic theologians speculated about heaven of course as well as its location and what could be known about it from Holy Scripture which is the word of God. The common opinion then was that the heaven we are speaking of and to which we hope to go to someday wherein the holy angels also dwell as their natural abode is an actual corporeal place created by God, the highest created heaven which they called the empyrean heaven. This highest heaven is beyond the visible heavens, it is invisible. Although maybe this invisible heaven where the blessed souls and holy angels enjoy the beatific vision of God is in the same place as the visible heavens but which is invisible. There are quite a few references in the Holy Scriptures such as the book of Revelation and John’s visions where it says that the heavens were opened or parted; the heavens were also opened at Jesus’ baptism. Does this mean the heaven of God’s dwelling beyond the visible heavens or a vision of the heaven of God’s dwelling in the created visible heavens but which is invisible? Good question. This is something one can contemplate while reading, studying, and prayerfully meditating on scripture as well as reading what the fathers of the church, doctors and saints may have said or speculated about.
So heaven COULD be beyond the visible heavens? Do some Church Fathers and doctors think so?
 
What I was breathing in my mother’s womb was not the same as what I breathe now. I don’t think there’s a problem here.
 
Since Jesus is fully God and fully man, is He everywhere, too?
Jesus as God is everywhere according to his divinity which he has in common with the Father and the Holy Spirit and being everywhere is proper to the divine nature but not to a created nature which Jesus assumed at his incarnation when he became a man though he did not lose anything of his divinity and godhead in assuming a human nature. When Jesus walked on the earth some 2000 years ago he was not also at the same time as a man in heaven or somewhere in outer space as we ourselves are not. After his death and resurrection, Jesus as a man ascended body and soul into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the Father; as God, Jesus never left the Father even when walking on the earth as a man. So, Jesus in his humanity is in heaven but without leaving heaven he is also substantially present body, blood, soul and divinity under the eucharistic species of the bread and wine where ever the eucharist is celebrated throughout the world or where it is kept for our adoration. This is the miracle of the eucharist. Evidently, what God can do with matter and bodies is far beyond what we naturally observe in the universe or what can be grasped by the natural light of reason and such a miracle as the miracle of the eucharist would probably have never entered our mind or wildest imagination unless God himself had revealed it to us.
 
Jesus as God is everywhere according to his divinity which he has in common with the Father and the Holy Spirit and being everywhere is proper to the divine nature but not to a created nature which Jesus assumed at his incarnation when he became a man though he did not lose anything of his divinity and godhead in assuming a human nature. When Jesus walked on the earth some 2000 years ago he was not also at the same time as a man in heaven or somewhere in outer space as we ourselves are not. After his death and resurrection, Jesus as a man ascended body and soul into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the Father; as God, Jesus never left the Father even when walking on the earth as a man. So, Jesus in his humanity is in heaven but without leaving heaven he is also substantially present body, blood, soul and divinity under the eucharistic species of the bread and wine where ever the eucharist is celebrated throughout the world or where it is kept for our adoration. This is the miracle of the eucharist. Evidently, what God can do with matter and bodies is far beyond what we naturally observe in the universe or what can be grasped by the natural light of reason and such a miracle as the miracle of the eucharist would probably have never entered our mind or wildest imagination unless God himself had revealed it to us.
Could you dumb that down for me, please?
 
Could you dumb that down for me, please?
Jesus as God is everywhere. Jesus as a man or his human nature is not everywhere. Jesus’ human nature is located where ever his body and soul are. The human body of Jesus does not have infinite dimensions. Jesus as a man is about 6’ tall or so and so wide.
 
Jesus as God is everywhere. Jesus as a man or his human nature is not everywhere. Jesus’ human nature is located where ever his body and soul are. The human body of Jesus does not have infinite dimensions. Jesus as a man is about 6’ tall or so and so wide.
Thanks! I just want to thank you for your help and patience with me. Some people haven’t been so charitable. 🙂
 
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