Enter through the narrow gate

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Variety is the spice of life. When I think of all the hot button issues like abortions, gay marriage, etc. It is difficult to believe there is only one way to see it or right solution. Forget religion then there is the issue of immigration, gun control, etc. A multitude of ways to see these issues. We do not live in an ideal society where people follow God’s laws or even care to. We have to deal with the fact there are some crazies out there and we must protect people from harm. Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not? I am thinking of abortion. Some people do not think a fetus is life. Perhaps abortion may be the best option. Of course some people do it because they do not want to be inconvienced. Some people do not believe in afterlife of any sort why is euthanasia wrong? Why let some continuously suffer from a debilitating disease which will kill them eventually while they could end the suffering and respect the dignity of the person.
 
This is simply humanitarianism, not merely the teaching of our religion. Deliberately killing an innocent child is never a valid choice. Reducing pain or suffering is valid but deliberately killing disabled or depressed people is never a valid choice.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
This is simply humanitarianism, not merely the teaching of our religion. Deliberately killing an innocent child is never a valid choice. Reducing pain or suffering is valid but deliberately killing disabled or depressed people is never a valid choice.
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Some morality should not necessarily be legislated. For example, should we outlaw lying? It’s morally wrong after all. It’s protected by free speech, however. In this case it’s up to the individual to do the right thing.

What about stealing? Maybe that should be legal and just let individuals choose for themselves as well? No, we can’t because it would be too disruptive to society. It’s too important.

No right is more important than the right to life. That’s why life issues (like abortion) should be legislated. All other human rights are built upon it. It’s foundational. It’s more important than property laws (like outlawing theft), which is why people fight so hard for it. Some morally wrong things can be left up to the individual to decide. The most important rights must be defended by our government. What is a government for if not to protect the lives of its own people?
 
The issue is affect.

Someone said lying is not illegal which is mostly true. But there are lies that are.

So here is the issue, does it affect someone?

Abortion: Well because of the legal aspects IF you view your child as a child and are a man, your woman can in your eyes murder your child.

The ins and outs of the laws are so a good friend was not given medical treatment that otherwise would have been beneficial because her baby was “totally abortable”.

(She did it on her own and had a tiny superhuman who refused to die as the doctors suggested)

Euthanasia again can involved different parties and different views. Especially if the person to be ended is lacking in mental faculty… how do you pick which subjective morality is right? A father is lost in mind, he has two twin sons one Christian one atheist…which subjective morality is safe?

these issues become much less “subjective” when they start harming others.
 
Also a note on your gun issue, I have them.

we negate their legality tomorrow and I am to turn them in right? So you have taken from me. Is force stealing not wrong? some say WE WONT “FORCE”

ummm what?

So I simply leave my guns in my safe and say I am not handing over my property to stealing all quiet and peaceful.

Someone tells on me

a cop drops by “sir we hear you have guns” ME: “NOPE”

cops come back with a warrant search and see them “we taking these”

Me: Nope

Them we are taking you to jail

Me: Nope

them (Will physicaly take me)

Only option is submit to kidnapping or fight

If I submit I am jailed for a decade or so

If I fight I am dead and called crazy on the news…

SO gun control advocates offer me personally 3 possible options
  1. Have my stuff stolen from me and be sad
  2. Go to jail
  3. Be dead
Subjective morality huh? steal, kidnap, kill…none of which sound overly subjective…
 
Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not?
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No, because God gave each of us free will. We can pray for the souls of others though.
I am thinking of abortion. Some people do not think a fetus is life. Perhaps abortion may be the best option.
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Abortion is the killing of a human life.
Some people do not believe in afterlife of any sort why is euthanasia wrong? Why let some continuously suffer from a debilitating disease which will kill them eventually while they could end the suffering and respect the dignity of the person.
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There are pain meds for those suffering. Look at hospices that care for the terminally ill. They use pain meds to ease the patient’s suffering… these pain meds do eventually kill, though that’s not the intention. Ending someone’s life is not giving that person dignity. Human life is worthy of respect and we should promote respect for life of all people, whether they be disabled or suffering. Suffering plays a part in bringing people closer to God. To end a life prematurely prevents that person from having the opportunity to reconcile with God at the end of life. It also makes a murderer of the person whose task it is to assist.

I’m curious about the title for your thread as ‘enter through the narrow gate’ is referring to having the courage and conviction to follow Jesus which will eventually lead us to heaven.
 
Hi!

This is from the daily reading today:

2 Kings 22:8, 10-13

The high priest Hilkiah informed the scribe Shaphan,
“I have found the book of the law in the temple of the LORD.”
Hilkiah gave the book to Shaphan, who read it.
Then the scribe Shaphan went to the king and reported,
…that the priest Hilkiah had given him a book,
and then read it aloud to the king.
When the king heard the contents of the book of the law,
he tore his garments and issued this command to Hilkiah the priest,
Ahikam, son of Shaphan,
Achbor, son of Micaiah, the scribe Shaphan,
and the king’s servant Asaiah:
“Go, consult the LORD for me, for the people, for all Judah,
about the stipulations of this book that has been found,
for the anger of the LORD has been set furiously ablaze against us,
because our fathers did not obey the stipulations of this book,
nor fulfill our written obligations.”

In this reading, we can see that King Josiah, and even the whole people of Judah, had no knowledge of the law of the Lord, but once they heard the law, they realized that they had sinned, even inadvertently.

It’s important for us to realize that people need to follow the commandments of God whether they want to or not.

Can we force them to?

No.

But we must continue to set an example by our lives, and when people ask, to give a reason for our hope, and to proclaim the gospel, even when people don’t want to hear it.

Pax
 
I clicked on this thread due to the title, which was in the Gospel reading for Tuesday morning. Jesus tells us that the road is wide that leads to destruction. Your comments about what you see in the world today are a clear demonstration that what Jesus tells us is true. We are called to witness to the truth, in the way we live first of all, and in spreading the Gospel with love. We are not responsible for how the message is received but we are bound to speak what we have learned from Christ. Don’t succumb to a defeatist attitude (which comes from the devil) but continue to witness in truth and love. Jesus said " Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock …and continue in Matthew 7, v 25 through 28. God bless you.
 
CRATUS said:
Variety is the spice of life. When I think of all the hot button issues like abortions, gay marriage, etc. It is difficult to believe there is only one way to see it or right solution. Forget religion then there is the issue of immigration, gun control, etc. A multitude of ways to see these issues. We do not live in an ideal society where people follow God’s laws or even care to. We have to deal with the fact there are some crazies out there and we must protect people from harm. Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not? I am thinking of abortion. Some people do not think a fetus is life. Perhaps abortion may be the best option. Of course some people do it because they do not want to be inconvienced. Some people do not believe in afterlife of any sort why is euthanasia wrong? Why let some continuously suffer from a debilitating disease which will kill them eventually while they could end the suffering and respect the dignity of the person.
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If believers in Christ don’t stick up for what is right, then evil will just continue to grow in our society. The secular world has been GREATLY influenced by the devil and has made it so sinful acts sound logical.

Basically what it comes down it is that if something isn’t good, then it’s bad. Christ’s rules don’t have exceptions that cater to society’s wants.
 
As Catholics, we have the duty to spread the Gospel of Christ and the Love of God to everyone we ecounter in everyday life. This also means doing our best to support a culture of life and the values that we hold dear in the society around us. Now, obviously in the United States we have freedom of religion, but we are still called by God to protect those things that are inherent to the human experience according to the natural law, such as the right to life, normal marriage between one man and one woman, the right to work and earn a living, and so on. In this way, we can prevent the acceptance of activities that are so contrary to human nature that we cease to have any morals at all.

May God bless you all! 🙂
 
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If believers in Christ don’t stick up for what is right, then evil will just continue to grow in our society. The secular world has been GREATLY influenced by the devil and has made it so sinful acts sound logical.

Basically what it comes down it is that if something isn’t good, then it’s bad. Christ’s rules don’t have exceptions that cater to society’s wants.
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Yup. That’s right.
 
The narrow gate of heaven comprises of eternal and true merit. People who are unable to merit due to deception, evil, and extreme sin, is a deliberate transgression according to eternal law.
 
CRATUS said:
Variety is the spice of life. When I think of all the hot button issues like abortions, gay marriage, etc. It is difficult to believe there is only one way to see it or right solution. Forget religion then there is the issue of immigration, gun control, etc. A multitude of ways to see these issues. We do not live in an ideal society where people follow God’s laws or even care to. We have to deal with the fact there are some crazies out there and we must protect people from harm. Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not? I am thinking of abortion. Some people do not think a fetus is life. Perhaps abortion may be the best option. Of course some people do it because they do not want to be inconvienced. Some people do not believe in afterlife of any sort why is euthanasia wrong? Why let some continuously suffer from a debilitating disease which will kill them eventually while they could end the suffering and respect the dignity of the person.
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Why be up inside someone else’s business? It’s all gossip, these issues are. Why have an opinion on any of these issues? Is it necessary to have an opinion? If yes, what does that solve? Not these issues, of course. It’s all worldly gossip, not the beginnings of Virtue.
 
KildareBrigid said:
If believers in Christ don’t stick up for what is right, then evil will just continue to grow in our society. The secular world has been GREATLY influenced by the devil and has made it so sinful acts sound logical.

Basically what it comes down it is that if something isn’t good, then it’s bad. Christ’s rules don’t have exceptions that cater to society’s wants.
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Furthermore, if a govt starts encroaching too much on our rights, like with immoral things or taking guns, rights away, then we as a people are required to stand against that, likewise if they start enacting laws on religion, beliefs, well then our church leaders are responsible for instructing its flock to NOT abide by those laws, as we are not allowed to be in any ‘cooperation’ with evil, whether its evil by our own hands or our tax dollars being used for something immoral (like abortion).

Jesus never said living in a secular world like this would be easy or comfortable, in fact he said we would be hated just like they hated him, he warned we would be arrested, imprisoned, tortured, killed, due to his name.

Unfortunately satan is sneaky and intelligent, thats pretty clear with the current state of the world right now, evil is being called good and vice versa, and we are being fed lies to make us believe these things.
 
Sacred_Heart said:
Why be up inside someone else’s business? It’s all gossip, these issues are. Why have an opinion on any of these issues? Is it necessary to have an opinion? If yes, what does that solve? Not these issues, of course. It’s all worldly gossip, not the beginnings of Virtue.
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What are you saying?
 
Sacred_Heart said:
Why be up inside someone else’s business? It’s all gossip, these issues are. Why have an opinion on any of these issues? Is it necessary to have an opinion? If yes, what does that solve? Not these issues, of course. It’s all worldly gossip, not the beginnings of Virtue.
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Fresh interesting perspective. Why do you think it serves no purpose to have an opinion on these issues
 
CRATUS said:
Variety is the spice of life. When I think of all the hot button issues like abortions, gay marriage, etc. It is difficult to believe there is only one way to see it or right solution. Forget religion then there is the issue of immigration, gun control, etc. A multitude of ways to see these issues. We do not live in an ideal society where people follow God’s laws or even care to. We have to deal with the fact there are some crazies out there and we must protect people from harm. Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not? I am thinking of abortion. Some people do not think a fetus is life. Perhaps abortion may be the best option. Of course some people do it because they do not want to be inconvienced. Some people do not believe in afterlife of any sort why is euthanasia wrong? Why let some continuously suffer from a debilitating disease which will kill them eventually while they could end the suffering and respect the dignity of the person.
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Are we supposed to force people to follow God whether they want to or not?
Yes, in this sense, the civil laws should not oppose moral law.
[so] why is euthanasia wrong?
Any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, or willful suicide is a crimes against life. Life has its full perfection only in eternal life.
 
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