ET Life And Jesus

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Just a simple question to put forward towards everyone.

Do you believe in extra-terrestrial life?

Over time, people continually find hints of evidence that leads us to believe there are other life forms. And with a never ending universe, it is more than likely that there are other planets with ‘Aliens’.

I somehow believe that the majority of people here don’t believe in aliens. But I’ll put this question forward – IF you DO believe in other life forms in our universe…Wouldn’t it therefore mean that Christ would HAVE to come down for their SALVATION also? (To all the other planets in the universe that have existing life) - To deliver them from suffering and evil just as he did on our planet Earth?

This could therefore mean that there would have to be more than one Jesus Christ. But God clearly states that he only has ONE son. But it doesn’t mean that the son can’t be in more than one place at the same time. For he is always within us.
 
Jesus tell us that in His Father’s house there are many rooms. If like the Angels, there are other life forms in this vast Universe, God does not need to multiply His Son. The life and power of the Trinity embraces the whole universe. If God puts His spirit (souls)in any other life-forms He can deal with it as is required for them. As it’s such a huge universe, who knows, but I don’t think we can assess any other potential life-forms spiritual needs in relation to our own, any more than the Angels’ experience echoes our own.
I can see how you ask the question…but who knows, you might be sent as a kind of guiding experience, though not God or God-Son! It really is a path of thinking that distracts from the more relevant spiritual questions…but I’ve enjoyed some science fiction and pondered questions also! But it isn’t relevant. When you eventually die you’ll have answers, but at this stage, the questions are science fiction because we may not even be able to conceive in our understandings, what the reality of such creatures may be, if they exist, and how any part of them functions.

For now, we’re on track if we stick to Scripture, the revelations we have been given. Bless you, Trishie
 
Alien races may be unfallen, in which case they wouldn’t need salvation.
 
BlaineTog said:
Alien races may be unfallen, in which case they wouldn’t need salvation.
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That’s speaking for the majority. But there would always be those who take upon actions which they don’t know is turning them away from God.

Wouldn’t they have the right to know about God’s commandments so they don’t turn away from God?
 
Here are two considerations.

Firstly, perhaps there are embodied souls in the universe besides human beings and some of these live on planets other than the Earth.

Jesus’s earthly ministry took place in Israel and nearby. He did not travel to other continents of the Earth. He commanded the Apostles and Disciples to go and teach his commandments to all other nations; that is, worldwide. This suggests that if there are any extraterrestrial beings requiring redemption on other planets, then it would be up to the Church in the future to bring the Gospel to such persons. “All nations” implying all other relevant persons, no matter where they dwelled.

Secondly, perhaps there are no embodied souls in the universe besides human beings.

It can be argued that the Creation of Mankind, the Fall, and the Redemption, are matters concerning only the human species. God created humankind on this one planet, Earth. All humans are descendants of the first two: Adam and Eve. In order to redeem humanity God became Man and dwelt on this Earth. No seed of humanity has passed from this planet to any other planet. If any indigenous species dwell on other planets, so the argument goes, they would not be human. It is one open question, therefore, whether such would have intellects and created souls. It is another open question whether they would require redemption. It is certainly not beyond God’s power to create other species. But, if it were not for the fact that the galaxies seem to be rushing apart, and travel between them seems an impossibility, one could entertain the proposition that the universe was meant for humankind to inhabit - in the very long run of course!

And then, there’s the little matter of the Great Silence - from outer space!
 
PePPaR said:
That’s speaking for the majority. But there would always be those who take upon actions which they don’t know is turning them away from God.
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No. “Unfallen” means “no original sin.” The entire race would be perfectly in line with God’s will. They would be what we would have been had Adam and Eve not chosen to eat the apple.
Wouldn’t they have the right to know about God’s commandments so they don’t turn away from God?
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They wouldn’t need them. They would already know all they needed to know.

And a fallen extraterrestrial race would probably need a separate salvation, not because Christ’s sacrifice wouldn’t be sufficient, but because that other race wouldn’t be part of the communal body of humanity and thus would be literally disconnected from the organism of grace. Or maybe not, maybe God would give them access to ours somehow, I dunno.
 
According to some ancients texts and traditions. There was once ET on Earth. And People like the Sumerians (old civilization) and the Dogon of Africa (still in existance) claim that humans were created by ET but they seem to have different theories or accounts.

One of them suggests that those ET were ‘reptilians’/ looked like serpents. Now linking this to the story of Genesis, I could interpret this as the story of the Fall.
There is a suggestion that we are a result of DNA manipulation by some aliens which looked like serpents.

What these pagan consider as human creation by aliens could be human contamination by aliens. By the way I have to confess, that I makes sens to me that the serpent of Eden could mean something like those reptilians.
Ever since I read Genesis for the first time, I have always wondered why we have a serpent, an animal tempting while we know that it is a spirit, satan who is the tempter. And I am sure I am not the only one. In Genesis it is clear that this serpent could be very real in a sense that it could really be an animal entity capable of talking and walking the ground.
We have always wondered about ‘talking’ serpent, how if the ‘serpent’ is actually an ET.

Considering the state Adam and Eve were in before the fall, it is clear that they had higher powers and a great degree of sanctity. When God showed Adam the animals he had created, it is possible that God showed him all living creatures he had created. This include those we may be calling ET.

May be what we call ‘Intelligent lifeform’ in other planets are just as Genesis say, ‘wise’ animals like the wise serpent.

May be by discovering them we will also discover something more of ourselves. That we have truly fallen from a higher state. That we were superior to all those other ‘wise’ intelligent animals.

Our condition of being one of the animals could be a result of the fall. After all, why do we fight against the flesh? Why is our fiight againts evil spirits almost synonymous to the fight against our flesh, I am not suggesting that they are the same. Just that our flesh is clearly contaminated, and what we have is not our ‘natural’ body as God created it. How was Eve supposed to conceive her childreen and bring them to life before the course, since pregnancy is a result of the course?

All these seem to indicate to me that Adam and Eve were not at least as biological as we are. By toying with the ‘wise serpent’ they died…fell…and become animal like, and this could be what those pagans call human creation.

In few words, I think, yes, they surely are living creatures on other planets, and they could be ‘intelligent’. But I think we are higher in dignity, at least we were.

Just think about it, if Adam and Eve had not fallen, this means there would not have been any murder, but not only that, but no man would have died since the day of creation, yet they would have kept multiplying. This is what God envisioned. Now were would all these humans be? on Earth??? Nay.

We would be to the four corners of the universe. We would be like Adam and Eve scanning ALL creatures God has created which include ET.

So in a sense, I think just like in Star Trek, if some ET show up, we will turn out to be somehow more apt in governing the universe that they are. This is one of the reason we were created. We were made to put order in the rest of God’s creation.
We will find that whatever we will discover will not contradict our Faith at all.
It will be just the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth.

God bless
 
Yes I do.

Technically, God and the Angels are ETs.

Why?

Because they existed before the creation of this earth.

Now being born in a human form does complicate matters somewhat, but essentially, God is an Extraterrestrial.
 
I do believe there are other rational beings out there, but I also think God made the universe so big that we wouldn’t be able to muck with each other. Some possibilities:

(1) As posted earlier, some races may be unfallen and not in need of redemption.
(2) Some races are fallen and require redemption. Christ’s redemptive act on earth covers them. Problem: how do they know that?
(3) Some races are fallen and require redemption. God provides a means specific to them, which may or may not be like the means he provided us. But, it will be the best for them.
(4) Some races are fallen and won’t be redeemed. Maybe they were created like the angels with complete knowledge of the consequences of their actions, but they sinned anyway.
 
PePPaR said:
Wouldn’t it therefore mean that Christ would HAVE to come down for their SALVATION also? (To all the other planets in the universe that have existing life) - To deliver them from suffering and evil just as he did on our planet Earth?
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Not anymore than He would have to come down as a cow for cattle’s salvation and to deliver them from suffering and evil.
 
I don’t believe there is such a thing as alien life. Life happens within pretty narrow boundaries. There is little difference if it happens on another rock in outer space or near the lava vents in boiling sea water or under a rock in the garden.

I disagree with the notion that there could be self determined creatures out there who are subject to consequences of our making and not know it. Having been created self determined creatures their meaning would be a known them, it goes with the territory( no pun intended).
I don’t believe they exist but if they do their prayers would make them powerfull allies in God’s plan. And they would most likely be unfallen examples of perfect humility to be able to groan in expectation for the sons of God to be revealed without being scandalized.

They wouldn’t be like angels since that would make life in a state of becoming purposeless. Fallen or not, either way, they would be depending on humanity for their life to end in God. Christians at least are committed to that belief.

It seems that if there could be even one there would be a multitude of self determined extra-terrestrial races. The fact that not a single extra-terrestrial has contacted us among the multitude of his own kind among the multitude of others is persuasive evidence that there is no other self determined creatures other than us.
 
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