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I need some assistance. I am having a blog conversation with someone who started off taking issue with Eucharistic Adoration
I had a handle on that part- but this person has now said thing to implicate they hold the thanksgiving or the community as the body of Christ to be more important than the Real Presence:
" Eucharist, even today I first think “thanksgiving” then “consecrated host.” and all of the above. Most folks don’t get beyond “consecrated host.”
I answered
Ignatius says “because they confess not the EUCHARIST to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again”. Now, if we substitute thanksgiving… because they confess not the THANKSGIVING to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again…the passage doesn’t make much sense- how can an action be the flesh of our saviour?
then, the other person came back with:
I think here is the crucial point of the discussion, your last question, speck: how can an action be the flesh of our saviour?
St. Teresa of Avila:
Christ has no body now but yours
No hands, no feet on earth but yours
Yours are the eyes through which He looks
compassion on this world
Christ has no body now on earth but yours.
That is how the flesh of Christ must be an action.
PS - try subbing in “act of thanksgiving” (aka Mass, aka holy eucharist, a ritual action) then, see if that works better.
I was going to say something about the consecration still occuring even if the priest is the only one at mass- but am I missing something?
Is this person right?
I had a handle on that part- but this person has now said thing to implicate they hold the thanksgiving or the community as the body of Christ to be more important than the Real Presence:
" Eucharist, even today I first think “thanksgiving” then “consecrated host.” and all of the above. Most folks don’t get beyond “consecrated host.”
I answered
Ignatius says “because they confess not the EUCHARIST to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again”. Now, if we substitute thanksgiving… because they confess not the THANKSGIVING to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again…the passage doesn’t make much sense- how can an action be the flesh of our saviour?
then, the other person came back with:
I think here is the crucial point of the discussion, your last question, speck: how can an action be the flesh of our saviour?
St. Teresa of Avila:
Christ has no body now but yours
No hands, no feet on earth but yours
Yours are the eyes through which He looks
compassion on this world
Christ has no body now on earth but yours.
That is how the flesh of Christ must be an action.
PS - try subbing in “act of thanksgiving” (aka Mass, aka holy eucharist, a ritual action) then, see if that works better.
I was going to say something about the consecration still occuring even if the priest is the only one at mass- but am I missing something?
Is this person right?
