What would be one’s fate? Well, if such a person were to die that day before confessing, it would be the same as if that person had not received the Eucharist. He or she would die in a state of mortal sin, and be damned (barring any Divine intervention).What would be the fate of someone who recieves the Eucharist while being in a state of mortal sin, like fornication and knowingly about this still continues to recieve the Eucharist.
Would the recievement be a source of damnation instead of blessing for such a person?
Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
That pretty much sums it up there.For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1 Cor 11:27-29
Yes, if the sin is public, like a politican supporting abortion or gay marriage.Yes it does, thank you, i had forgotten that verse from 1 Corinthians.
But what is the church law, can a priest deny someone the Eucharist if he knows that the person is in a state of mortal sin that has not been repented?
What if a woman left her husband and is living with another man?Yes, if the sin is public, like a politican supporting abortion or gay marriage.
Yes he can but it is a matter of prudential judgment. You can’t force a priest to do this because you want him to.What if a woman left her husband and is living with another man?
Remember, Christ Himself knew what was in Judas’s heart–but did He deny Him the Eucharist on those grounds, or was He willing to protect His reputation until Judas revealed himself?Yes he can but it is a matter of prudential judgment. You can’t force a priest to do this because you want him to.
Yes, but some assumptions are being made. First that they knew that fornication was a mortal sin to begin with. Two, if they did, that they havent gone to Confession. also the presumption that they haven’t formed a habit of this activity or somehow feel pressured from outside themselves.What would be the fate of someone who recieves the Eucharist while being in a state of mortal sin, like fornication and knowingly about this still continues to recieve the Eucharist.
Would the recievement be a source of damnation instead of blessing for such a person?
Remember that was before the death and resurrection of Christ. Before the new covenant. Christ instructed his Apostles how to treat unrepentant sinners. He said to treat them as the heathens or publicans in some of the translations or as gentiles and tax collectors below in the NAB. These people were not allowed in the Worship space at all or even socialized with at all.Remember, Christ Himself knew what was in Judas’s heart–but did He deny Him the Eucharist on those grounds, or was He willing to protect His reputation until Judas revealed himself?
So in the case of refusing communion but still allowing the person to attend Mass there is a good amount of charity. Of course discussion and teaching would occur first . But if the person remained obstinate this is the proper course of action.if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
“People that are sinners”?I have a hard time understanding why people that are sinners go to communion.
Well i guess all 3 points are fulfilled.Forgive me if I simplify the language in the Catechism. I’m at work and doing this from memory.
For sin to be mortal, 3 things must happen.
- The sin must be serious. (Fornication is.)
- The person must KNOW that it is sin.
- The person must deliberately choose to sin.
I have a hard time understanding why people that are sinners go to communion. It seems an example of the endless ways people can fool themselves. A prominent example of all this is the way many pro-abortion politicians go to communion (though both the Popes and the U.S. bishops say they should stay away). I wouldn’t want to fool myself in such a way, because then I would be greatly shamed before God and all the human race when my sins are exposed when the general judgement of everyone together occurs.
I had the same thought. Does anyone know anyone who has gone to communion who is ***not ***a sinner?“People that are sinners”?
Isn’t that us all?
I am a sinner, I was a sinner, I will be a sinner. I will, with God’s help, try my best to live in accordance with His will and I pray it will please Him, but I am not perfect.
I honestly do not understand the above quoted statement and fear that if the Church’s requirement is not that I strive to be more like Christ but that I actually BE perfect, and no longer a sinner, my search is over before it has hardly begun.
Isnt the difference that at least you must first go to confession and have the intention to not returning back to the sins you just repented from.I had the same thought. Does anyone know anyone who has gone to communion who is ***not ***a sinner?
I have a hard time understanding why people that are sinners go to communion.
I was responding to the first quote above; I took the meaning to not necessarily mean those in unrepentant mortal sin.Isnt the difference that at least you must first go to confession and have the intention to not returning back to the sins you just repented from.
Yes.
Whereas there is no use to repent from a sin you intend to do again and again and not even trying to stay away from it.
Yep, I guess it’s a matter of semantics and intent. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s of ***no ***use, but true repentance involves a desire for conversion.