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Shaolen
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We hold that Jesus will have the second coming. But if the Eucharist is Jesus’ body blood soul and divinity, doesnt that mean theres millions of comings of Jesus?
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Gorgias
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No. The ‘second coming’ of Jesus refers to the parousia, at the end of time, when Jesus will come – physically – and the general judgment will occur. (By distinction, in the Eucharist, Jesus comes sacramentally, and without the implication of the end of time.)
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Vico
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Jesus Christ is not divided.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
1377 The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ. 205
Cf. Council of Trent: DS 1641.
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Kliska
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So if the Eucharist touches the earth that is categorically different than Jesus physically touching the earth? Would that be because of the accidents of bread present? I get confused as I think the RCC teaches that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist, so is that a sacramental physical presence?
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rcwitness
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I think Sacramentally (Eucharist), means “hidden” (from natural senses) while The Second Coming means visible (just as He ascended) and with judgment. Sacramentally means for the purpose of faith and consummation.
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Gorgias
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It is different in the ‘mode’ of presence. Christ is sacramentally present in the Eucharist, and in the second coming, He will be physically present.
Yes… and no.
It doesn’t have to do with the ‘bread’ (or wine), per se. It has to do with the fact that the presence is sacramental – real, and true, but in a ‘sacramental’ mode, not a ‘physical’ mode.
Christ is truly present in the Eucharist – it is His ‘Real Presence’. It is His body, blood, soul and divinity that are present… but in a sacramental mode. The physical ‘accidents’ are indistinguishable from the accidents of bread and wine (but, in fact, they cease being the accidents of bread and wine, and instead become the accidents of the sacramental presence of Christ in the Eucharist).
Now, with that established, let me bend your mind a bit: since there are physical accidents in the Eucharist (after all, if there weren’t, then how could we perceive it or eat it?), we could say that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist… but those accidents are identical to the accidents of bread and wine, not the accidents we’re used to seeing in a person (eyes, ears, hair, etc). When Jesus comes at the parousia, we’ll see his ‘human’ accidents.
Does that help?
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rcwitness
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Yet He comes down at our invitation, even Physically.
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Kliska
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This makes sense to me. 
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rcwitness
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After His Passion and resurrection, He bodily moves with the Spirit. This is why St Paul can say, “we no longer regard Him in the flesh”.
This is part of partaking of Communion in Him. We believe, and do not need to see, that He comes down through the Holy Spirit to bless the Bread and Wine as our Sacrificial lamb. The Physical Word! In the Eucharist, the whole diety of God dwells bodily.
This is part of partaking of Communion in Him. We believe, and do not need to see, that He comes down through the Holy Spirit to bless the Bread and Wine as our Sacrificial lamb. The Physical Word! In the Eucharist, the whole diety of God dwells bodily.
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TimothyH
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The Eucharist is Jesus’ sacramental presence. It is the entire substance of his body, blood, soul and divinity. The entire Jesus is really present. It is Jesus. It is the Lord.
This is different from Jesus’ physical presence. Physical presence refers to a human person - a 175lb Jewish man with arms and legs.
It is a subtle but important distinction. You will never hear of a theologian refer to the Eucharist as the physical presence, only as the real presence.
The Eucharist is Jesus really present in the physical world but it is not Jesus’ physical presence. It isn’t a 175lb Jewish guy. It is the real presence, not the physical presence.
At the second coming Jesus will be physically present on earth. There will be a Jewish guy we can look at, touch, eat and converse with.
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This is different from Jesus’ physical presence. Physical presence refers to a human person - a 175lb Jewish man with arms and legs.
It is a subtle but important distinction. You will never hear of a theologian refer to the Eucharist as the physical presence, only as the real presence.
The Eucharist is Jesus really present in the physical world but it is not Jesus’ physical presence. It isn’t a 175lb Jewish guy. It is the real presence, not the physical presence.
At the second coming Jesus will be physically present on earth. There will be a Jewish guy we can look at, touch, eat and converse with.
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rcwitness
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His body and blood are NOT physical? 
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rcwitness
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Much of my understanding of His Eucharist (and Mass), is found within the event of the encounter with Jesus and the disciples on the road to Emmaus.
Jesus was kept hidden from their senses, then He gave them His Eucharist and He was made known to them, and He vanished!
Jesus was kept hidden from their senses, then He gave them His Eucharist and He was made known to them, and He vanished!
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rcwitness
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Luke 24
… but they constrained him, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them.**When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them.**And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight.
The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”*Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.
… but they constrained him, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them.**When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them.**And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight.
The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!”*Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.
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Shaolen
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Thanks everyone! This helps a lot. I’ve never been asked this question but its one I can imagine being asked sometime down the road.
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