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I am hoping some theologians out there will help me evaluate a statement given by the facilitator in my RCIA class this week. The statement, concerning conversion, is below:

God does not pull us to himself; we go to God of our own free will.

I have been reading the catechism and can’t reconcile this statement with paragraphs such as 1989, 1993, 2001… I see that man can reject God’s grace, but it is by God’s grace that man turns toward God and away from sin… What am I missing?

Thanks!
 
You use your free will to accept, or reject, God’s grace. He will not force his grace upon you. You must chose it freely.

🙂
 
Of course, this doesn’t mean that one merits his own salvation by virtue of the ‘work’ of turning toward God… 😉
 
Acceptance of God’s grace is only the first step. That grace would not be available if not for Jesus.
 
Another way of putting it: God doesn’t force us to believe and submit to a relationship with HIm, but invites us into a relationship with Him.
 
1989 says…moved by grace man turns towards God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high…

1993 says…when God touches man’s heart through the illumination of the Holy Spirit man himself is not inactive while receiving that illumination, since he could reject it; and yet, without God’s grace he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God’s sight…

does God not take the first step in conversion, and it is then up to man to accept or reject His first step? Does He not give us the grace to accept His free gift while allowing us the opportunity to reject Him?

it seems to me that God’s grace is a gift enabling us to turn towards God, making that acceptance possible, and yet we can still choose to reject it…

thoughts please??
 
Another way of putting it: God doesn’t force us to believe and submit to a relationship with HIm, but invites us into a relationship with Him.
Well put. The invitation is there. . . it’s up to us to say yes or no. God won’t beg us. At least that’s the way I look at it.
 
We must also recognize that the will itself is moved by grace. This is the idea of prevenient grace. For example, from the Council of Trent:*Canon 3: If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

The Synod furthermore declares, that in adults, the beginning of the said Justification is to be derived from the prevenient grace of God, through Jesus Christ, that is to say, from His vocation, whereby, without any merits existing on their parts, they are called; that so they, who by sins were alienated from God, may be disposed through His quickening and assisting grace, to convert themselves to their own justification, by freely assenting to and co-operating with that said grace: in such sort that,** while God touches the heart of man by the illumination of the Holy Ghost, neither is man himself utterly without doing anything while he receives that inspiration, forasmuch as he is also able to reject it; yet is he not able, by his own free will, without the grace of God, to move himself unto justice in His sight.** *We’re not Pelagians who believe man’s will operates apart from grace when moving toward God.
 
Luke 15:20

“So he got up and went back to his father. While he was still a long way off, his father caught sight of him, and was filled with compassion. He ran to his son, embraced him and kissed him.”

God draws us to Himself to a certain extent. But…you have to start the journey yourself.
 
it seems to me that God’s grace is a gift enabling us to turn towards God, making that acceptance possible, and yet we can still choose to reject it.
I think that is a very good summary, allowing for MarcoPolo’s point that God’s grace not only makes it possible for us to turn to God, but also helps us to do it if we ask Him (and in fact helps us to ask Him 🙂 ).

–Jen
 
CCC

Faith is a human act

154 Believing is possible only by grace and the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. But it is no less true that believing is an authentically human act. Trusting in God and cleaving to the truths he has revealed is contrary neither to human freedom nor to human reason. Even in human relations it is not contrary to our dignity to believe what other persons tell us about themselves and their intentions, or to trust their promises (for example, when a man and a woman marry) to share a communion of life with one another. If this is so, still less is it contrary to our dignity to “yield by faith the full submission of… intellect and will to God who reveals”,26 and to share in an interior communion with him.

155 In faith, the human intellect and will co-operate with divine grace: "Believing is an act of the intellect assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace."27

654 The Paschal mystery has two aspects: by his death, Christ liberates us from sin; by his Resurrection, he opens for us the way to a new life. This new life is above all justification that reinstates us in God’s grace, “so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.” Justification consists in both victory over the death caused by sin and a new participation in grace.526 It brings about filial adoption so that men become Christ’s brethren, as Jesus himself called his disciples after his Resurrection: "Go and tell my brethren."527 We are brethren not by nature, but by the gift of grace, because that adoptive filiation gains us a real share in the life of the only Son, which was fully revealed in his Resurrection.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

2011 The charity of Christ is the source in us of all our merits before God. Grace, by uniting us to Christ in active love, ensures the supernatural quality of our acts and consequently their merit before God and before men. the saints have always had a lively awareness that their merits were pure grace.

After earth’s exile, I hope to go and enjoy you in the fatherland, but I do not want to lay up merits for heaven. I want to work for your love alone… In the evening of this life, I shall appear before you with empty hands, for I do not ask you, Lord, to count my works. All our justice is blemished in your eyes. I wish, then, to be clothed in your own justice and to receive from your love the eternal possession of yourself.63
 
1989 says…moved by grace man turns towards God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high…

1993 says…when God touches man’s heart through the illumination of the Holy Spirit man himself is not inactive while receiving that illumination, since he could reject it; and yet, without God’s grace he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God’s sight…

does God not take the first step in conversion, and it is then up to man to accept or reject His first step? Does He not give us the grace to accept His free gift while allowing us the opportunity to reject Him?

it seems to me that God’s grace is a gift enabling us to turn towards God, making that acceptance possible, and yet we can still choose to reject it…

thoughts please??
Hi Hotdiggity,
You are correct. The statement “God does not pull us to himself; we go to God of our own free will” could be true if we take it to mean that we are not forced to accept God’s grace. We can either accept or reject God’s grace. The statement would be false if we take it to mean that we do not need God’s grace in the work or our conversion and salvation. God always takes the initiative by his grace in the work of our salvation.
 
God does not pull us to himself; we go to God of our own free will.
You can feel drawn (pulled) but He does not make you come. I suggest this question be asked in your RCIA class with the references to the CCC, can open interesting discussion and get people to actually read their Catechism.
 
God, through His mercy, has made it possible for us to turn to Him. After that, it depends on the individual. There are some that God knows will turn towards Him of their own accord as they learn about the world and yearn for truth, others need a tap on the shoulder, some need a kick in the butt.
 
There are some that God knows will turn towards Him of their own accord
This is not correct.

CCC

Faith is a grace

153 When St. Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, Jesus declared to him that this revelation did not come “from flesh and blood”, but from “my Father who is in heaven”.24 Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him. "Before this faith can be exercised, man must have the grace of God to move and assist him; he must have the interior helps of the Holy Spirit, who moves the heart and converts it to God, who opens the eyes of the mind and ‘makes it easy for all to accept and believe the truth.’"25

654 The Paschal mystery has two aspects: by his death, Christ liberates us from sin; by his Resurrection, he opens for us the way to a new life. This new life is above all justification that reinstates us in God’s grace, “so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.” Justification consists in both victory over the death caused by sin and a new participation in grace.526 It brings about filial adoption so that men become Christ’s brethren, as Jesus himself called his disciples after his Resurrection: "Go and tell my brethren."527 We are brethren not by nature, but by the gift of grace, because that adoptive filiation gains us a real share in the life of the only Son, which was fully revealed in his Resurrection.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion.

2011 The charity of Christ is the source in us of all our merits before God.
 
I am hoping some theologians out there will help me evaluate a statement given by the facilitator in my RCIA class this week. The statement, concerning conversion, is below:

God does not pull us to himself; we go to God of our own free will.

I have been reading the catechism and can’t reconcile this statement with paragraphs such as 1989, 1993, 2001… I see that man can reject God’s grace, but it is by God’s grace that man turns toward God and away from sin… What am I missing?

Thanks!
I am certainly not a theologian, but I would answer your question with the words of Jesus Christ and then attempt to give an explanation of his words.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me. (John6:44-45)

Speaking to Jewish disciples, I think that Jesus was saying to those who were hearing and learning from the law of Moses and the prophets are those whom the Father draws to His Son, Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and for promise of the future resurrection.

Retrograde to the present time that we are living in. Those of us who have had some familiarity with monotheism and the ten commandments and the rudimentary teachings of the prophets and have been listening and learning, our Heavenly Father draws to His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. So to anwer your question, God examines our hearts before he draws us to the salvation of our Lord Jesus Christ. (as I understand it)

God’s peace be with you

micah
 
Hi Hotdiggity,
You are correct. The statement “God does not pull us to himself; we go to God of our own free will” could be true if we take it to mean that we are not forced to accept God’s grace. We can either accept or reject God’s grace. The statement would be false if we take it to mean that we do not need God’s grace in the work or our conversion and salvation. God always takes the initiative by his grace in the work of our salvation.
I’m not a theologian, but I would agree with the above.

God does pull us in the sense that He initiates everything and will never give us up or stop seeking to draw us to Him.

God does not pull us in the sense of grabbing us, overriding our will, and dragging us to where He wants us to be.

It just depends on how strongly you interpenetrate the word “pull.”
 
On accepting and rejecting the grace of God.

Matthew 13:12 - For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

Matthew 13

18: “Hear then the parable of the sower.
19: When any one hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in his heart; this is what was sown along the path.
20: As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
21: yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.
22: As for what was sown among thorns, this is he who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the delight in riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.
23: As for what was sown on good soil, this is he who hears the word and understands it; he indeed bears fruit, and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”
 
thanks guys! Lots of good info and i appreciate the links to the CCC, Bible, and council of trent documents, very helpful 🙂
 
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