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Indifferently
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The word evangelical seems to have been hijacked by a certain sort of commercialism in religion which bears little resemblance to what it actually is supposed to mean. As an Anglican, I consider myself fully evangelical, in that Scripture is placed at the highest authority, aided by the human faculties of tradition and reason.
A lot of so called evangelicals today just cling to the latest fads in music and styles of worship, as well as politics, missing the eternal, transcendent, mysterious nature of Christianity.
A lot of so called evangelicals today just cling to the latest fads in music and styles of worship, as well as politics, missing the eternal, transcendent, mysterious nature of Christianity.
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East_Anglican
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I consider myself fully Anglican, in that Scripture is placed at the highest authority, aided by the human faculties of tradition and reason.
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jrtrent
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I don’t live in England nor am I a member of the Church of England, but my theological leanings would be toward what Bishop Ryle termed the Evangelical party. He had said “There are three great schools of thought in the Church of England, High Church, Broad Church, and Evangelical.” Is the Evangelical wing in decline within the Church of England? Do those terms even apply today?
As to the article referenced in the first post, I don’t think the writer has defined his terms well enough for me to understand what he’s going on about.
As to the article referenced in the first post, I don’t think the writer has defined his terms well enough for me to understand what he’s going on about.
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GEddie
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The author does not refer to the Church of England, but to the "interdenominational " faith movement known as Evangelicalism in the modern anglophonic world.
He is not without an axe to grind, either. I noticed that he equates Zionism with oppression.
ICXC NIKA
He is not without an axe to grind, either. I noticed that he equates Zionism with oppression.
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anruari
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I dislike the tendency to cast aspersions against a all people who hold to one concept to describe their faith, which includes such a broad tapestry of different faith communities.
The Label “Evangelical” belongs to all true Christians.
I believe the Late Bl. John Paul II said (but I cant find it right now):
“Any Faith community which is not, at it’s heart, an evangelical community, has in truth ceased to be a Christian Community”
(I must be paraphrasing 'cause I cant find the quote of Google… perhaps someone can point me in the direction of the source)
Evengelisation is a key part of the call of all Christians, as commanded by Christ in the “Great Commission”.
As a Catholic, one thing I tent to find is that we often have a stronger common view on issues of faith and morals with those who consider themselves “Evangelical Christians” than with many of the other Christian faith groups.
The Label “Evangelical” belongs to all true Christians.
I believe the Late Bl. John Paul II said (but I cant find it right now):
“Any Faith community which is not, at it’s heart, an evangelical community, has in truth ceased to be a Christian Community”
(I must be paraphrasing 'cause I cant find the quote of Google… perhaps someone can point me in the direction of the source)
Evengelisation is a key part of the call of all Christians, as commanded by Christ in the “Great Commission”.
As a Catholic, one thing I tent to find is that we often have a stronger common view on issues of faith and morals with those who consider themselves “Evangelical Christians” than with many of the other Christian faith groups.
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KathleenGee
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Essentially in time, after the emergence of Protestantism, their name was ‘Evangelicals’…those who want to live by the Gospel and evangelical councils.
I would clarify here…popists vs evangelicals.
I would clarify here…popists vs evangelicals.
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WoundedIcon
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These days the term evangelical signifies a reverence for Scripture, an interest in getting into the world and influencing it through politics and its own culture, a strong penchant for doctrinal orthodoxy, an appreciation of study, an emphasis on free will choice in religion and a personal relationship with God, and a focus on the transformation of the heart as opposed to external compliance. When applied to Catholics it also includes a reverence for Tradition and a desire to introduce people to its riches, and an emphasis on obedience and apologetics.
At its worst it warps into something overzealous and/or excessively individualistic. Think fundamentalists for the first and hipster-y nondenominatonal “religion is evil” types.
At its worst it warps into something overzealous and/or excessively individualistic. Think fundamentalists for the first and hipster-y nondenominatonal “religion is evil” types.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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This is the opposite of what American Evangelicals say.The author does not refer to the Church of England, but to the "interdenominational " faith movement known as Evangelicalism in the modern anglophonic world.
He is not without an axe to grind, either. I noticed that he equates Zionism with oppression.
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Byzantine_Wolf
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What he said.The word evangelical seems to have been hijacked by a certain sort of commercialism in religion which bears little resemblance to what it actually is supposed to mean. As an Anglican, I consider myself fully evangelical, in that Scripture is placed at the highest authority, aided by the human faculties of tradition and reason.
A lot of so called evangelicals today just cling to the latest fads in music and styles of worship, as well as politics, missing the eternal, transcendent, mysterious nature of Christianity.
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ltwin
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As an evangelical, I know there are critiques that can be rightly made about pan-denominational movement known as Evangelicalism. However, the writer of this blog just seems like someone who left evangelicalism and just doesn’t like it very much.
He makes statements like:
That’s rich. “All” of the people who laid the groundwork for evangelicalism (which was a reaction against a lot of what ritualistic and rationalistic Protestantism stood for) would be Anglo-Catholics if they were alive today. Really???I am convinced that evangelicalism has drifted so far from shore that if George Whitfield was alive today, he’d be an Anglo/Catholic. John Newton would be an Anglo/Catholic too. They all would be Anglo/Catholics. At its worst evangelicalism is an affront to the gospel. At its best, it’s a bunch of middle class people pussyfooting around.
I don’t know anything about this writer. Did he happen to leave evangelicalism for Anglo-Catholicism? If so, it sounds like someone is projecting his own religious views on the early Evangelicals in an attempt to reconcile his new found beliefs with what had to be the “original” character of evangelicalism.
I also don’t really understand his accusations that Evangelicals oppress people through their support of Israel. The Jews have been harassed and persecuted for centuries, mostly at the hands of Christians. They return to their homeland, and we support them. I don’t support everything the Israeli government does by way of occupying Palestinian territory, and I also recognize that Israel is not the only actor in the conflict. The situation is complex, but I will not abandon support for the right of Israel to exist and defend itself, even as I call on the Israeli government to act justly toward the Palestinian people.
I also didn’t understand his criticism of our lack of social engagement. Evangelicals do engage in social issues and call for justice. However, we don’t do it in the way that liberal Protestants do—call for the acceptance and license of all and any behavior.
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Indifferently
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Always grateful for the support!What he said.
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KathleenGee
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Protestants yes, are reacting to the use of rituals as something implying empty and pompous shows of the veil of religion, but nothing within it.
Some show a passage of the OT where God says He does not want empty rituals…He was not condemning them but what was lacking of Him in their hearts. If He was truly condemning ritual, they would have ceased.
Case in point: This am I was listening to Fr Mitch Pacwa on EWTN. He was discussing the great increase of secularism in the world through cell phones, mass media.
There is an ongoing assault on ritual by some evangelical, fundamentalist groups. Fr Pacwa said there was a conference of women religious, I assume North American. It was reported there was a man on the floor beating the drum, wearing red tights. A ritual was created by them so that everytime Christ’s words from scripture were read about a statement regarding sin and hell, the beating drum would begin and they would respond in ritual saying Christ would never do that.
It takes alot of work and reflection to create a ritual. Ritual synthesizes and defines, and is form of public worship to make a powerful statement to the world. Ritual is nothing to minimize its importance and power. Ritual is a form of professed creed.
For us to have the sacraments, the Church has defined proper form and intent, so that when one experiences Christ in ritual, everything…words, intent, movements, gestures all are reinforcing each other with the same profession of faith.
The ritual must reflect and profess the fullness of Who Jesus Christ is and His presence made manifest to us. Only one chosen by Christ to be His minister can do this. What we are seeing today is those who cause scandal and psychology taken the place of discernment for vocations by past seminary boards to allow men into priestly studies.
Pope Benedict’s concerns to the priests before his departure is that what has happened to the Church is this loss of ecclesial authority…that it no longer is coming from God through His chosen ecclesiastics, but coming from the laity in the congregations themselves…a form of congregationalists.
I was in two parishes that were infected with congregationalism and public protest where parishioners were carrying protest signs out on the street due to the dismissal of the school principal. Finally the bishop formally came to celebrate Mass and to speak to the parish. When he was entering into the church, a woman came up to him and asked him, ‘What are you doing here?!’
How we believe, we pray. Ritual synthesizes faith into physical movement, to public expression so that it can further integrate into the world. It is nothing to scoff at.
Cardinal Wuerl stated recently at the Synod of Bishops, that Christianity is being hit as if by a tsunami of secularism through mass media. Secondly, the foundation of the family is being attacked. Third, Islam. A bishop there stated a huge mosque is now being allowed to be built in his diocese when there are no Muslims as of yet. The mosque is the stake set to claim former Christians.
Ritual is the work of the consecrated in Catholicism and it is by no means empty rituals. The more fundamentalists let go of their Catholic roots, the more hurdles they have to go over to return…alot being lost of what it means to be in Church with proper authority and sacraments.
Some show a passage of the OT where God says He does not want empty rituals…He was not condemning them but what was lacking of Him in their hearts. If He was truly condemning ritual, they would have ceased.
Case in point: This am I was listening to Fr Mitch Pacwa on EWTN. He was discussing the great increase of secularism in the world through cell phones, mass media.
There is an ongoing assault on ritual by some evangelical, fundamentalist groups. Fr Pacwa said there was a conference of women religious, I assume North American. It was reported there was a man on the floor beating the drum, wearing red tights. A ritual was created by them so that everytime Christ’s words from scripture were read about a statement regarding sin and hell, the beating drum would begin and they would respond in ritual saying Christ would never do that.
It takes alot of work and reflection to create a ritual. Ritual synthesizes and defines, and is form of public worship to make a powerful statement to the world. Ritual is nothing to minimize its importance and power. Ritual is a form of professed creed.
For us to have the sacraments, the Church has defined proper form and intent, so that when one experiences Christ in ritual, everything…words, intent, movements, gestures all are reinforcing each other with the same profession of faith.
The ritual must reflect and profess the fullness of Who Jesus Christ is and His presence made manifest to us. Only one chosen by Christ to be His minister can do this. What we are seeing today is those who cause scandal and psychology taken the place of discernment for vocations by past seminary boards to allow men into priestly studies.
Pope Benedict’s concerns to the priests before his departure is that what has happened to the Church is this loss of ecclesial authority…that it no longer is coming from God through His chosen ecclesiastics, but coming from the laity in the congregations themselves…a form of congregationalists.
I was in two parishes that were infected with congregationalism and public protest where parishioners were carrying protest signs out on the street due to the dismissal of the school principal. Finally the bishop formally came to celebrate Mass and to speak to the parish. When he was entering into the church, a woman came up to him and asked him, ‘What are you doing here?!’
How we believe, we pray. Ritual synthesizes faith into physical movement, to public expression so that it can further integrate into the world. It is nothing to scoff at.
Cardinal Wuerl stated recently at the Synod of Bishops, that Christianity is being hit as if by a tsunami of secularism through mass media. Secondly, the foundation of the family is being attacked. Third, Islam. A bishop there stated a huge mosque is now being allowed to be built in his diocese when there are no Muslims as of yet. The mosque is the stake set to claim former Christians.
Ritual is the work of the consecrated in Catholicism and it is by no means empty rituals. The more fundamentalists let go of their Catholic roots, the more hurdles they have to go over to return…alot being lost of what it means to be in Church with proper authority and sacraments.
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