Evangelized to the Jehovah Witness

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I met a couple of men in ties early this morning so I decided to meet with them. I stood close by as if I was waiting for a ride (which in all actuality I was waiting for a ride). They came forwards to me and they started to talk about their faith. I noticed that every time they opened a passage of the New Testament bible their text had Jehovah written down instead of the word father, as if they changed it all up. They physically present it as the bible but after I spoke to them further he admitted it to be a translation of the bible. I had to leave at some point but I did noticed they left the Our Father prayer alone. I talk to them about Our Faith and the importance of keeping the word father intact. We then went our own separate ways. I walked away feeling that they perhaps were tricking those who weren’t familiar with the bible with their version or translation of it. They were fooling them I felt.
 
Thank you for having courage to witness to JWs the way you have. They are trained to get hung up on “Call no man on earth ‘father’” as you probably know. But here’s where is gets interesting…

Deep in JW theory/theology, JW’s believe in a split-level afterlife: Heaven, where a finite number (144,000) of “annointed” JWs go to be in heaven with Jehovah, but the majority of the rank-and-file JWs desire a “Paradise Earth”.

If you happen to find yourself looking for a ride again, and are re-approached by these nice JW friends, you might ask them which is their desire, heaven or earth. They’ll likely, gladly, tell you “paradise earth”. Then you can ask them, “Why then are you on a first name basis with someone you have no desire to be with?”
Perhaps even follow up with * “As a Catholic, I’m not lowering MY standards, why have you?”*

Many of these JWs are actually baptized Catholics. Any chance to perhaps plant a seed and get them to think about their roots is a gift from Jehovah himself. 🙂
 
Thank you for having courage to witness to JWs the way you have. They are trained to get hung up on “Call no man on earth ‘father’” as you probably know. But here’s where is gets interesting…

Deep in JW theory/theology, JW’s believe in a split-level afterlife: Heaven, where a finite number (144,000) of “annointed” JWs go to be in heaven with Jehovah, but the majority of the rank-and-file JWs desire a “Paradise Earth”.

If you happen to find yourself looking for a ride again, and are re-approached by these nice JW friends, you might ask them which is their desire, heaven or earth. They’ll likely, gladly, tell you “paradise earth”. Then you can ask them, “Why then are you on a first name basis with someone you have no desire to be with?”
Perhaps even follow up with * “As a Catholic, I’m not lowering MY standards, why have you?”*

Many of these JWs are actually baptized Catholics. Any chance to perhaps plant a seed and get them to think about their roots is a gift from Jehovah himself. 🙂
I didn’t know of that split level afterlife. I’ll see how I can bring it up to them next time. 😉
 
I didn’t know of that split level afterlife. I’ll see how I can bring it up to them next time. 😉
Also can plant a seed by: relating to them that both they and you agree that the bible is inspired and inerrant, although you differ in some interpretations, sometimes significantly. Ask them if they agree with that statement. They will say yes. Then ask them “how do they know” that the bible is the inspired and inerrant written Word of God? They will answer that the writings “harmonize” with each other. They have been trained on this from one of their lessons. You can then comment 1) this really doesn’t make much sense to you as the Book of Revelation, The Gospel of Mark and the Psalms (pick your examples) hardly seem to be similar and in no way seem to harmonize with each other.

Then you can let them know that they give tacit submission to authority of the Catholic Church to know what is scripture. Catholic bishops declared what was scripture, first at the Council of Rome in 382ad (then later at the Synods of Hippo and Carthage, and the Council’s of Florence and Trent)

Almost any possible reaction will occur at this point but you’ve planted a seed.

Encourage them to research this…

How can they trust the Catholic Church on the bible and reject it on everything else?

PnP
 
Y’know, that’s funny;
Awhile back on the day before tax day, I was next to a bunch of mormons at my library. i noticed they were mormons and began a conversation. eventually it reached religion. he told me about his faith and of course we discussed several issues. I told him about the books that i was reading (Several catholic ones, one about four saints and another, i believe on robert spitzer.) he raised the question about the papacy and I tried as best as i could to explain to him that in the old days (from what I read) you were asked who was your master, and who was his master, if you could go back that way to the apostles, you were definitely in the right place. Actually, that question was about why the papacy wasn’t transferred to St. John, the only other living apostle at the time, I told him that it was apostolic succession, each apostle chose a successor to their see or episcopate. i also told him a story I had read twice when asked about where the unbaptized go when they die (how many of you are familiar with this?)
A saint was in Germany and was converting a king. The king decided to postpone his baptism when he heard that his unbaptized ancestors were in hell. the year came to a close and the king sent his servant to get the saint. The saint sent him back when the man came and told that servant that he wasn’t needed: the saint had a vision of the king in hell wrapped in fiery chains.
 
I have a good friend who happens to be a Jehovahs Witness. We respect each others beliefs and have occasionally discussed things like Birthdays and Christmas, due to the socially differing aspects there. Never once have we argued about Religion and I doubt we ever will. She loved my late Mother ( a devout Catholic) and attended her Funeral, out of respect.
One of my former pupils was a Jehovah’s Witness. I attended his Funeral service as I had worked closely with his family for many years. My Catholicism didn’t affect anything.

Why can we all not just live and let live.
 
Unfortunately, as much as I would like to have that attitude as well: we can’t.
We have to evangelize. we can’t just let people persist in error. we tell them about their errors, show them wha the Lord says through our church then give them time for their answer. If they reject it: it’s on their own heads. If not, we welcome them back to the church with open arms!
 
Unfortunately, as much as I would like to have that attitude as well: we can’t.
We have to evangelize. we can’t just let people persist in error. we tell them about their errors, show them wha the Lord says through our church then give them time for their answer. If they reject it: it’s on their own heads. If not, we welcome them back to the church with open arms!
I don’t think anyone who says we should “live and let live” is also suggesting that we never discuss our faith with Jehovah’s Witnesses to help them possibly see the error in their theology.

Why, recently Pope Francis released his “Top 10 Secrets to Happiness” in which he stated:

We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: “I am talking with you in order to persuade you.” No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are an ideological religion. As such they refuse communication on equal grounds. They are here to tell you the truth and teach you to leave your current faith behind. They teach that we are condemned by God unless we join their group.

While Catholicism recognizes many errors in their theology, we do not teach that they are thus condemned by God. They hold many truths dear in common with Catholics. Their love for the Sacred Scriptures, their zeal for evangelization, and even their doctrine regarding the coming New Heavens and a New Earth are more than merely admirable. We share a similar understanding and love for these things too. It is thus not impossible that a Jehovah’s Witnesses may find salvation through these truths that have essentially come from and are thus facets of the Catholic faith.

It is a mistake to think that all communication with Jehovah’s Witnesses should be merely to show them their errors. That is the way proselytizing religion works, and thus the way of the Jehovah’s Witnesses too. Who wants to hear talk about how wrong they are all the time? I have more faults than I want to know about or could possibly count. That surely is not appealing. God is not this way, as the psalmist testifies:

If you, O Lord, should mark iniquities,
Lord, who could stand?–Psalm 130:3.

True evangelism offers a loving and prime example of holiness. It is often performed without speech. Are we not attracted to our patron saints because of their holiness or did we choose them because of the chastisements they made to those who were sinners? Does not their sterling example of self-sacrificing love attract them to us? Then we should do the same.

If we do not attract them by a life of saintly holiness first, they will not want to hear us tell them about any mistakes they are making. In fact, if we are not fully converted ourselves then they will not listen to our words of correction. Who believes a man who claims he can take a splinter out of your eye while he cannot remove the wooden beam that is stuck in his own?–Matthew 7:4, 5.

Sometimes we can offer the best witness to the truth by showing tolerance for them, not judging them, and showing them there is a different way to evangelize without harsh and judgmental proselytism. And sometimes a Witness will not allow any conversation about religion to go on unless it degenerates into a debate. When that is the case, a sprit of “live and let live” is not always necessarily wrong. Sometimes it’s one of the only ways of love we may have left at our disposal.

And what is evangelization if it is not the display of love in action toward others? Proselytism, on the other hand, is offering warning and judgment. Where’s the love in that?
 
I have a good friend who happens to be a Jehovahs Witness. We respect each others beliefs and have occasionally discussed things like Birthdays and Christmas, due to the socially differing aspects there. Never once have we argued about Religion and I doubt we ever will. She loved my late Mother ( a devout Catholic) and attended her Funeral, out of respect.
One of my former pupils was a Jehovah’s Witness. I attended his Funeral service as I had worked closely with his family for many years. My Catholicism didn’t affect anything.

Why can we all not just live and let live.
I pray your good friend never does what my good friend (family member) did to me. Growing up around my JW family I always wanted to live respecting their beliefs and religion. Today I can only respect them as humans.

In a time when my wife and I desperately needed help with my difficult child we instinctively turned to family. Well, if you can imagine, a JW who believes we are going to hell must act in a “righteous” way and do everything they can, including taking advantage of family members, to “save this child”. The result was not pretty and it was the straw that broke up my family - all because I used to believe in the “live and let live” attitude.

Peace!!!
 
I pray your good friend never does what my good friend (family member) did to me. Growing up around my JW family I always wanted to live respecting their beliefs and religion. Today I can only respect them as humans.

In a time when my wife and I desperately needed help with my difficult child we instinctively turned to family. Well, if you can imagine, a JW who believes we are going to hell must act in a “righteous” way and do everything they can, including taking advantage of family members, to “save this child”. The result was not pretty and it was the straw that broke up my family - all because I used to believe in the “live and let live” attitude.

Peace!!!
First of all, Jehovah’s Witnesses do NOT believe that people who reject their message go to hell. In fact, they do not believe in the concept of hell.

And second, it was not your loving kindness and “live and let live” attitude that broke up your family but the often cruel application of Witness theology. Regardless of how kind you could have been or how often you attempted to engage them in progressive dialogue, you yourself admit that you cannot stop a JW from doing everything they can to act “righteous” in their religion. In fact, the more your discussions would have caused tension the quicker and more forceful would their response be. You are not responsible for the actions of others, but if you claim you are then you make yourself the guilty party. But clearly since you do not have power over others, you can’t be blamed, as Witnesses are going to be who they are regardless of what is happening in the world around them.

It is NOT the Catholic way to take up the same proselytizing attitude of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and promote an “us-against-them” attitude along with a superiority complex built upon the fact that we Catholics belong to the true Church founded by Christ.

But it is also NOT the Catholic way to live a life that is not in and of itself a sterling example of a Christian witness and evangelization. When it comes to showing respect and love for others and their convictions, we as Catholics should be hard to match.

It is not easy to balance the two, admittedly. Jesus himself taught that we must “be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves.” (Matthew 10:16) That’s quite a balancing act.

Sure, sometimes a discussion with a JW is going to get heated, but that should not be the norm. Other times it may not be wise to “stir the pot” as Witnesses view any tensions caused by interchanges that don’t go their way as attacks by the Devil.

Just as the JWs are often not willing to acquiesce to the truth we Catholics bring them, I am afraid some Catholics are just as unwilling to accept the fact that dealing with Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the same as talking and debating with other groups. These people see things in extremes of good and evil, automatically viewing us as agents of the evil one if we are not members of their group. They are also currently undergoing great changes in their religion because the world did not end as expected again, and currently they are on edge as they are preparing themselves to be attacked by us and all the world around them through the United Nations (similar mentality to the “White Nights” practiced in Jonestown). They are prepared for debate, live off it, strengthened by confrontation, desire it. You give them what they want and they will only grow stronger. That is proselytism. That is what happens when people exchange their religion for an ideology.

Only love, tolerance, and an evangelism that attracts can be effective in such a situation.
 
First of all, Jehovah’s Witnesses do NOT believe that people who reject their message go to hell. In fact, they do not believe in the concept of hell.
Hi Delson, yes I agree they do not believe in hell and I may have used the word wrongly here however, it is a word they have used probably trying to explain to me their “agents of the evil one if we are not members of their group” in my terms.
And second, it was not your loving kindness and “live and let live” attitude that broke up your family but the often cruel application of Witness theology. Regardless of how kind you could have been or how often you attempted to engage them in progressive dialogue, you yourself admit that you cannot stop a JW from doing everything they can to act “righteous” in their religion. In fact, the more your discussions would have caused tension the quicker and more forceful would their response be. You are not responsible for the actions of others, but if you claim you are then you make yourself the guilty party. But clearly since you do not have power over others, you can’t be blamed, as Witnesses are going to be who they are regardless of what is happening in the world around them.
Again I agree it was not me that broke up my family and I know I am not the quilt party. The only guilt I hold is the inability to better explain the Catholic faith and the proactive distance I have put between me and them. We use to be a much closer family.

I keep thinking the separation between me and my family, which I choose, would look no different, but with different motivations had I became a JW then left. In the current situation it is of my choosing, in the latter would be of their choosing.
…Only love, tolerance, and an evangelism that attracts can be effective in such a situation.
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Thank you for your time Dr. Please send me a bill.😃

Peace!!!
 
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