Evil Bible

[runandsew]

As for the evils of the old testament, I would recommend Scott Hahn’s series "Our Fathers Plan” Scott talks about how the things allowed in the book of Deuteronomy, which we would determine were evil, were allowed because of the hardness of Israel’s heart. It was Moses who gave these laws, God did not write them or “speak” them as he did at Sinai. It was because the faith of Israel was weaker that the sins of the other nations. They were more like to give into sin that convert the other nations. A lesser sin was allowed, so a greater sin would not occur. Things like divorce, slavery, interest on loans, and most especially allowing “harem warfare”, (the killing of every man, women and child, and beast of the nations they conquered.
Scott also talks about the fatherly love of god, and sometimes what appears to be mean or severe to us, is what we really need to be make us realize that we have strayed from our father

 

[Montalban]

Montalban-

You dont fool me.

Which is good, because it’s not my intent. It would be odd if you were fooled and I made no effort to do so.

You are not giving yourself credit here, fine.

Pretend all you want.

I have seen your posts. Are you kidding me? Is this a joke?

When I don’t know what you’re talking about, rather than pretend I do, I state that I don’t.

 

[Montalban]

usually Atheists love this site because it shows them that they did not reject faith for no reason. The quotes are always out of context. The Bible is not a quote or an incident. The bible is the HISTORY of salvation with all it’s good and bad things.

The lady who pointed this out’s a pagan. But I know some Atheists who in ‘general terms’ have tried relativist arguments.

 

[inJESUS]

You dont KNOW what I mean?

Oh my.

Damascus! cool down i did not understand what you mean as well

 

[Montalban]

As for the evils of the old testament, I would recommend Scott Hahn’s series "Our Fathers Plan” Scott talks about how the things allowed in the book of Deuteronomy, which we would determine were evil, were allowed because of the hardness of Israel’s heart. It was Moses who gave these laws, God did not write them or “speak” them as he did at Sinai. It was because the faith of Israel was weaker that the sins of the other nations. They were more like to give into sin that convert the other nations. A lesser sin was allowed, so a greater sin would not occur. Things like divorce, slavery, interest on loans, and most especially allowing “harem warfare”, (the killing of every man, women and child, and beast of the nations they conquered.
Scott also talks about the fatherly love of god, and sometimes what appears to be mean or severe to us, is what we really need to be make us realize that we have strayed from our father

Thank you too, for your web-reference

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

A workmate pointed out a site called evilbible.com. She was happy to show me all the ‘cruelties’ in the Bible, especially in the OT.

Is anyone aware of a good argument for me to come back with?

I know that historically people were so convinced that the God in the OT was so different from God in the NT that they believed there were in fact two different gods. These dualists usually believed that the OT GOd is cruel and mean.

My book, conveniently, has a chapter entitled “The Evil Bible Argument”. I recommend you download it.

There is no one knock-out answer to this particular one. Some of the alleged cruelties in the Bible actually represent silly Western fobiles or prejudices - the idea that it is unacceptable that women be forbidden to speak in church, for example.

Others take the statement out of context - for instance when Jesus commands His followers to lop off limbs rather than sin, He is clearly exaggerating. Origen missed out on canonisation for take Him literally.

However the main counter argument is that the Bible is written for adults. Atrocities happen in wars. What seems a coherent set of maorl principles in an American kitchen might seem rather different on a battlefield in the Middle East. The Bible is fairly frank about these things.

 

[Valke2]

A workmate pointed out a site called evilbible.com. She was happy to show me all the ‘cruelties’ in the Bible, especially in the OT.

Is anyone aware of a good argument for me to come back with?

I know that historically people were so convinced that the God in the OT was so different from God in the NT that they believed there were in fact two different gods. These dualists usually believed that the OT GOd is cruel and mean.

You can tell her that the Jewish Bible was not designed (by God)to set up a system of failure for human beings. ANd that it took into account the realities of the day. Such as how war was conducted in biblical times. And it put in place a system of behavior that was designed to help us evolve morally. For example, instead of abolishing slavery, it instituted a set of laws designed to ensure decent treatement of slaves and provide for their eventual freedom. If you post specific passages, I’ll post specific responses.

 

[Montalban]

You can tell her that the Jewish Bible was not designed (by God)to set up a system of failure for human beings. ANd that it took into account the realities of the day. Such as how war was conducted in biblical times. And it put in place a system of behavior that was designed to help us evolve morally. For example, instead of abolishing slavery, it instituted a set of laws designed to ensure decent treatement of slaves and provide for their eventual freedom. If you post specific passages, I’ll post specific responses.

Thank you for the post. That’s some good stuff I can use (I’ve been composing a response). I’ve not been given specific verses though.

 

[Damascus]

You dont need specific passages.

Take an onion. Its got lots of layers. Each time you peel it – you get closer to the revelation of truth.

God did not reveal himself to us right away-- he gave us time to see it.
Think on the prophets. Think of the ways that it became more clear after time – I wish I had time to give you all the verses, but its clear.
Its all in there.
Just not all at once.
Have you read the Bible?