Evolution? please prove it!

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Please proof with no doubt that this video is false using a scientific method, journals, articles and books…

Don’t try to say is true because it makes sense or anything like that…

O’ and please see the video before saying anything 🙂

Heh, i know there is going to be some hammering but don’t really care, real skeptic never takes anything at face value…
 
juhothenero said:
noevolution.org/

Please proof with no doubt that this video is false using a scientific method, journals, articles and books…

Don’t try to say is true because it makes sense or anything like that…

O’ and please see the video before saying anything 🙂

Heh, i know there is going to be some hammering but don’t really care, real skeptic never takes anything at face value…
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I have no intention of watching a 1+ hour video of bad/misleading science. I know that you will ask how I can say that if I didn’t watch the video, but there is a link to Berthault’s video, so I know the level of “science” used at that site.

Instead of trying to prove with no doubt that the video is false, why don’t you just make your argument against evolution. Perhaps you would also like to try to make Berthault’s case as well while you are at it.

Peace

Tim
 
I have to agree. I’ve got better things to do than watch a video that runs longer than an hour in order to reply to a post here.

Besides; Evolution presented in the light of faith is not inconsistant with Catholic theology.
 
Orogeny said:
I have no intention of watching a 1+ hour video of bad/misleading science. I know that you will ask how I can say that if I didn’t watch the video, but there is a link to Berthault’s video, so I know the level of “science” used at that site.

Instead of trying to prove with no doubt that the video is false, why don’t you just make your argument against evolution. Perhaps you would also like to try to make Berthault’s case as well while you are at it.

Peace

Tim
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Yes i thought this might be the actual level of answer… Supporters of evolution are supposed to prove it, that is why it is called a theory… It is not a fact… I don’t need to have argument against it, since if it has not been proven reliable it cannot be even considered as a good explanation…

That video gives a couple of good points, sediments and assumption that life came from nothing things, that is a scientists burden not mine…
 
My thought is that if one doesn’t understand the argument well enough to summarize it in a post, one probably doesn’t understand it well enough to say if it’s right or wrong.
 
The_Barbarian said:
My thought is that if one doesn’t understand the argument well enough to summarize it in a post, one probably doesn’t understand it well enough to say if it’s right or wrong.
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Again i don’t need arguments but you need if you support evolution…

Thing is this about the video that strikes as nice, it shows how sediments form in a fashion that brakes the theory that they can be used for aging things inside them, that argument alone is bad for evolution…

Second thing is finding away to make life out of what is not life… How do you do it… for people supporting evolution these things should be proven without a doubt…

Now a days you just believe it because people think if you don’t you are crazy, but real hard evidence for it is actually quite minimal…

So i think why people actually believe it, and even think is better then bible as explanation as an example… But maybe it has something to do with people’s desire to be accepted in society, believe it and you are OK if you don’t then you are stupid, so you choose to believe…
 
juhothenero said:
Yes i thought this might be the actual level of answer… Supporters of evolution are supposed to prove it, that is why it is called a theory… It is not a fact… I don’t need to have argument against it, since if it has not been proven reliable it cannot be even considered as a good explanation…
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So you can’t come up with any arguments on your own? Why should we spend time trying to convince someone who doesn’t understand the science to begin with? Your comment about evolution being a theory makes it real clear that your understanding of science is lacking at the fundamental level.
That video gives a couple of good points, sediments and assumption that life came from nothing things, that is a scientists burden not mine…
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Sediments, eh. Care to tell me why you think that Berthault’s studies in any way support his claims? Do you have any idea why his conclusions are so flawed?

See, a problem you have is that scientists have explained these things. You just don’t know what they said. Scientists test the theory of evolution all the time and so far the theory has not been falsified. Evolution happens and therefore is a fact.

Peace

Tim
 
juhothenero said:
Ah, thank you, finally a real reply, will read it with care and come back later 🙂
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you should have been familar with this standard summary before you poasted. you should address your questions to talk.orgins rather than a religious board, unless all you really want is an argument.
 
Orogeny said:
So you can’t come up with any arguments on your own? Why should we spend time trying to convince someone who doesn’t understand the science to begin with? Your comment about evolution being a theory makes it real clear that your understanding of science is lacking at the fundamental level.Sediments, eh. Care to tell me why you think that Berthault’s studies in any way support his claims? Do you have any idea why his conclusions are so flawed?

See, a problem you have is that scientists have explained these things. You just don’t know what they said. Scientists test the theory of evolution all the time and so far the theory has not been falsified. Evolution happens and therefore is a fact.

Peace

Tim
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There is nothing really i can say about this… this is just an amazing post… about the level of if i asked Mormon to prove the book of mormons… I am not joking, i have gotten a very similar response, with almost as good logic as this one has… I will not tease you anymore, just note that if you wanna say something please do, and make it have something actually inside it, some meaning or something like that… don’t act like a two year old… thanks…
 
juhothenero said:
There is nothing really i can say about this… this is just an amazing post… about the level of if i asked Mormon to prove the book of mormons… hehe… it is actually a bit funny…
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you’re not reading the faq. you’re just here to bicker.
 
juhothenero said:
noevolution.org/

Please proof with no doubt that this video is false using a scientific method, journals, articles and books…

Don’t try to say is true because it makes sense or anything like that…

O’ and please see the video before saying anything 🙂

Heh, i know there is going to be some hammering but don’t really care, real skeptic never takes anything at face value…
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You know Catholics came up with the Scientific Method, right? 🙂
 
juhothenero said:
Thing is this about the video that strikes as nice, it shows how sediments form in a fashion that brakes the theory that they can be used for aging things inside them, that argument alone is bad for evolution…
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Nope. You have been fooled. Berthault’s conclusions based on his experiments cannot be supported by the observations obtained during those experiments.
Second thing is finding away to make life out of what is not life… How do you do it… for people supporting evolution these things should be proven without a doubt…
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Not needed for evolution to be true. It doesn’t matter how life began.
So i think why people actually believe it, and even think is better then bible as explanation as an example…
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For the way life has developed, it is better than the Bible. Physics is better than the Bible at explaining the formation of stars. Do you not agree?
But maybe it has something to do with people’s desire to be accepted in society, believe it and you are OK if you don’t then you are stupid, so you choose to believe…
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Or maybe it has something to do with studying the subject. Nah, it couldn’t possibly be that.:rolleyes:

Peace

Tim
 
juhothenero said:
There is nothing really i can say about this… this is just an amazing post… about the level of if i asked Mormon to prove the book of mormons… I am not joking, i have gotten a very similar response, with almost as good logic as this one has… I will not tease you anymore, just note that if you wanna say something please do, and make it have something actually inside it, some meaning or something like that… don’t act like a two year old… thanks…
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Well, maybe you just don’t understand. Let me be a bit more clear - you need to know something about a subject before you can effectively argue one side or the other. I know what I am talking about. You clearly don’t or you would answer my questions.

I understand that there is nothing that you can say about this, but I bet it won’t stop you from doing so.

Peace

Tim
 
Orogeny said:
Nope. You have been fooled. Berthault’s conclusions based on his experiments cannot be supported by the observations obtained during those experiments.
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Maybe but then again that has not been shown just saying won’t actually make it true…
Orogeny said:
Not needed for evolution to be true. It doesn’t matter how life began.
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you are actually right… it just matters for scientific atheism
Orogeny said:
For the way life has developed, it is better than the Bible.
Orogeny;4242195:
maybe, then again maybe not…
Orogeny;4242195:
Physics is better than the Bible at explaining the formation of stars. Do you not agree?
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actually not sure
Orogeny said:
Or maybe it has something to do with studying the subject. Nah, it couldn’t possibly be that.:rolleyes:

Peace

Tim
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I sense a little pride… but then again i studied it a bit too and haven’t really been convinced…
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Orogeny said:
Well, maybe you just don’t understand. Let me be a bit more clear - you need to know something about a subject before you can effectively argue one side or the other. I know what I am talking about. You clearly don’t or you would answer my questions.

I understand that there is nothing that you can say about this, but I bet it won’t stop you from doing so.

Peace

Tim
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i asked you to prove that video false or provide evidence for evolution… now you have not given me anything… i mean come on… if you ask me how to make a forum like this i could teach you since i actually study the subject… so if you studied evolution you probably could teach me too… but i am figuring you probably have no idea about it…
 
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