Ex-convicts should be allowed to vote

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If someone has committed a crime, then they need to face some form of punishment. If it is a severe crime, then that punishment should be being sent to prison until their debt to society is repaid and a parole board decides they are fit to re-enter society.

But then after a convict is paroled, he/she (depending on the jurisdiction) might not be able to vote.

On one hand, this is just one in a long line of cruel and unusual punishments American Prisoners face (a list which includes underfunded prison healthcare which results in prisoners dying, rampant prison rape which guards turn a blind eye to, and disproportionately long sentences).

On the other hand, the right to vote is what makes our society a democracy. When we read in history books about Women and African Americans being legally prevented from voting we rightfully see these as injustices. Yet ex-convicts, despite being told on their release that their debt to society was repaid, are sometimes denied this most basic right.

There are some arguments I have seen against granting ex-convicts a basic human right they are currently being denied, but no good arguments.

Argument 1: “Voting is not a big deal. it’s a minor part of the civic process and most free people don’t vote anyway.”

Any knowledge of history shows that voting is the biggest deal. Being unable to vote means that politicians have no reason to even pretend to care about prisoners. Politicians can compete with each other to be the hardest on crime, knowing full well that they won’t be losing any votes by doing so. If ex-convicts could vote they they would no longer be helpless whenever some egotistical politician decides to triple the mandatory minimum for drug possession, cut funding on reformatory programs that teach prisoners honest skills, or votes in favor of keeping the death penalty in their state.

Argument 2: “If we let prisoners vote, they will start advocating for the legalization of pedophelia and hard drugs.” (I honestly saw someone make this argument once)

No. First off, prisoners and ex-convicts do not make up a large enough part of the population to do this. Secondly, not all criminals are sex-offenders or drug users and to assume otherwise is offensive.

Argument 3: “Prisoners don’t deserve to vote.”

If you argue this, do you know what the word ‘inalienable’ means? It is used to describe a right that can NEVER justifiably be taken away. It’s not just a lofty idea, it shows up early on in the document that created The United States. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Now, you don’t need to believe in the inherentness of human dignity to see why ex-convicts should have the vote: there are selfish reasons in favor of this too. Recidivism (when ex-convicts re-commit an offense and go back to prison) is really high in the United States, so much so that Private Owners of prisons like The GEO Group cite “high recidivism” as a selling point to investors. A big reason why prisoners return to a life of crime is that society refuses to give them a second chance, refuses to hire them for most jobs (90% of resumes where the ‘convict’ box is checked end up in the trash), and insists on designating them second class citizens.

We can discriminate against ex-convicts or we can work to turn them back into productive members of society, but we can’t do both.
 
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Being involved in Catholic prison ministry, I completely agree and I believe that all ex-cons should have their franchise restored automatically and mandated by the Federal government. Disenfranchised ex-prisoners have no way to redress grievances and that is as unjust as their original crime was.
 
If you argue this, do you know what the word ‘inalienable’ means? It is used to describe a right that can NEVER justifiably be taken away. It’s not just a lofty idea, it shows up early on in the document that created The United States. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Those convicted of crimes do lose some of their rights. Those sent to jail lose their liberty, those sentenced to death lose their life, those who are fined lose some or all of their property. The fact is that suffrage is a privilege, not a right.
 
I know in Virginia once out prison an ex-con can apply to restore their right to vote. Also for a visa.
 
Those convicted of crimes do lose some of their rights. Those sent to jail lose their liberty, those sentenced to death lose their life, those who are fined lose some or all of their property. The fact is that suffrage is a privilege, not a right.
I didn’t know the Suffragettes were fighting for Woman’s Privileges.

Taking away the right to vote is blatant discrimination, and the group that is prevent from voting is usually relegated to the status of second class citizenry.
And also, while some rights can be restricted as punishment for a crime, they should never be permanently taken away or withheld after the term of imprisonment.

If you are released from prison, your debt to society is repaid. That means that the punishments should end and all rights should be restored.
 
Victims of crimes, especially violent ones involving injury, are often unable to “restore” their lives to the wholeness or condition they once enjoyed. It seems unjust that those who committed such crimes can go back to a status quo ante life that their victims can never know again.
 
I believe the prison system, though flawed (who’s fault is that) is meant to rehabilitate prisoners. They are sentenced and serve their time. If they do not commit another crime, why should they carry a scarlet letter for the rest of their lives? Their crime will weigh on their minds for the rest of their lives. We are not the judges, God is. If it is wrong, God will decide. Also, every crime is unique with it’s own unique circumstances so it wouldn’t be fair to broad brush all ex-cons simply because of their charges (which they have already been punished for).
 
Victims of crimes, especially violent ones involving injury, are often unable to “restore” their lives to the wholeness or condition they once enjoyed. It seems unjust that those who committed such crimes can go back to a status quo ante life that their victims can never know again.
The people “who committed such crimes” usually have to spend years or decades, parts of their lives they can never get back, in prison.

Criminals and Convicts pay restitution to their victims by spending time in prison. If a parole board tells a convict he is fit to re-enter society, then the convict’s debt to society is repaid and at this point he doesn’t owe his victim a damn thing more.

On another note, most victims want to prevent anyone else from suffering as they did. Making ex-convicts and parolees second-class citizens greatly increases recidivism.
 
Even if a criminal were to reform voting is not an automatic right but instead a responsibility to citizens that is given to promote Christ and His Divine Laws.

The State gets it’s authority from God and can rightly choose to reject convicts right to vote as payment for their debt to society.
 
If you are released from prison, your debt to society is repaid. That means that the punishments should end and all rights should be restored.
To the bolded, in the US, at least, that is simply not true. Prison is generally only the first part of the prepayment of the debt to society. Most convicts are released long before their original sentence is served and are on parole for an extended period of time. Many **never **complete the restitution portion of their punishment.

I would not have an issue with restoring voting privileges after parole and restitution are complete. It would be an administrative headache to track but would be just. The one exception is voter fraud. Once convicted of that crime, a person should forever lose the right to vote.
 
In Canada, the Supreme Court ruled in 2002 (*Richard Sauvé v The Attorney General of Canada, the Chief Electoral Officer of Canada and the Solicitor General of Canada; Sheldon McCorrister, Chairman, Lloyd Knezacek, Vice Chairman, on their own behalf and on behalf of the Stony Mountain Institution Inmate Welfare Committee, and Clair Woodhouse, Chairman, Aaron Spence, Vice Chairman, and Serge Bélanger, Emile A. Bear and Randy Opoonechaw v. The Attorney General of Canada) *that denying prisoners the right to vote was unconstitutional.

Polling stations are set up in prisons.
 
The State gets it’s authority from God and can rightly choose to reject convicts right to vote as payment for their debt to society.
It does? Then why are we having this whole church/state separation argument in this country?

Like I said, I don’t know about other states, but in Virginia, an ex-con has to apply to regain that right.
 
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Even though the U.S. has foolishly embraced the secular political and moral culture. The founding fathers believed that a nation must be religious in nature in order to protect the rights of all the citizens. When nations abandon God they reject the source of all true rights and true liberty and become totalitarian regimes
 
I guess we need to look at it this way. If punishment for your crime is jail time and losing the right to vote, then their punishment is never fulfilled as long as they are alive. One more reason not to become a criminal to begin with. I’ll bet most could care less about that part of their punishment. FWIW.🤷 Just like revoking one’s drivers license doesn’t prevent people from driving with revoked licenses.
 
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Even though the U.S. has foolishly embraced the secular political and moral culture. The founding fathers believed that a nation must be religious in nature in order to protect the rights of all the citizens. When nations abandon God they reject the source of all true rights and true liberty and become totalitarian regimes
Well said.

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Religious freedom - yes, this is one of the founding principles.

Separation of church and state - no, this concept is based on a private letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a pastor and was not a founding principle. The founding principle, often misstated as a separation of church and state, is non-establishment. That is, no particular religion is to be established as the state religion. Religion, as a general concept and as a good force for civilization was never denounced or discouraged by the founders.
 
I think ex-convicts should be allowed to vote, but the fact that they aren’t isn’t really on my short list of most heinous injustices that are allowed in this country.
 
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