Extraordinary Ministers at the altar and other small things

[Sir_Anthony]

is it typical for the EMs to be up at the altar after the Sign of Peace, and for the priest to give the EM the bread (hand it to them, but not eat it, as they take it at the same time as the priest)? Also, is it typical that the congregation recites with the priest “through Him, with Him…”

 

[FrDavid96]

is it typical for the EMs to be up at the altar after the Sign of Peace, and for the priest to give the EM the bread (hand it to them, but not eat it, as they take it at the same time as the priest)? Also, is it typical that the congregation recites with the priest “through Him, with Him…”

No. All of what you’ve described is illicit.
All of that has been addressed explicitly by the Church and it’s all forbidden.

 

[Sir_Anthony]

No. All of what you’ve described is illicit.
All of that has been addressed explicitly by the Church and it’s all forbidden.

may I have some sources?

 

[Sir_Anthony]

In addition, I never seen them use a metal plate for the big host (sorry if I forget the name), but rather a big earthen bowl for the hosts. And for the wine they have a metal chalice, but for the additional wine they put them in glass chalices (which I thought isn’t appropriate).

 

[Apryl]

may I have some sources?

The GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal)

Of course, I can’t tell you where… but it is available online, where you may search it.

We know this because these questions have been asked several times in these forums. You may be able to do a search in here for the threads. But no, I can’t point you, and I’m sure that’s what you want (it’s what I’d want)

As for others reciting the Doxology (Through Him, With Him, In Him),those prayers are considered PRESIDENTIAL, so the lay folx should NOT be saying it.

I can’t say where I got that, but it’s not right!

 

[Phemie]

may I have some sources?

Redemptionis Sacramentum

 

[tee_eff_em]

is it typical for the EMs to be up at the altar after the Sign of Peace, and for the priest to give the EM the bread (hand it to them, but not eat it, as they take it at the same time as the priest)?

GIRM 162. The priest may be assisted in the distribution of Communion by other priests who happen to be present. If such priests are not present and there is a very large number of communicants, the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, e.g., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose. In case of necessity, the priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.

These ministers should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion

, and they are always to receive from the hands of the priest celebrant the vessel containing either species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful.

Also, is it typical that the congregation recites with the priest “through Him, with Him…”

GIRM 151. After the consecration when the priest has said, Mysterium fidei (Let us proclaim the mystery of faith), the people sing or say an acclamation using one of the prescribed formulas.

At the end of the Eucharistic Prayer, the priest takes the paten with the host and the chalice and elevates them both

while alone singing or saying the doxology, *Per ipsum (Through him)*

. At the end the people make the acclamation, Amen. Then the priest places the paten and the chalice on the corporal.

 

[Dauphin]

In modern times in the Church, abuses have often been granted indults so they can continue (eg. Communion in the hand, altar girls). Just tell the priest to keep doin’ what he’s doin’, and next year maybe the Vatican will allow it!

That’s the way things work in the modern Church - no deference to the tradition. If it’s allowed, it’s good.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

In addition, I never seen them use a metal plate for the big host (sorry if I forget the name), but rather a big earthen bowl for the hosts. And for the wine they have a metal chalice, but for the additional wine they put them in glass chalices (which I thought isn’t appropriate).

It’s a Paten and generally speaking, “a big earthen bowl” is also prohibited, even if it was permitted it is required to be guilded with Gold on the inside. I will guess that it is not. Glass is also prohibited.

 

[FrDavid96]

From the GIRM
327. Among the requisites for the celebration of Mass, the sacred vessels are held in special honor, especially the chalice and paten, in which the bread and wine are offered and consecrated, and from which they are consumed.

1. Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.
2. In the Dioceses of the United States of America, sacred vessels may also be made from other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do not easily break or deteriorate. This applies to all vessels which hold the hosts, such as the paten, the ciborium, the pyx, the monstrance, and other things of this kind.
3. As regards chalices and other vessels that are intended to serve as receptacles for the Blood of the Lord, they are to have bowls of nonabsorbent material. The base, on the other hand, may be made of other solid and worthy materials.

From Redemptionis Sacramentum:

[52.] The proclamation of the Eucharistic Prayer, which by its very nature is the climax of the whole celebration, is proper to the Priest by virtue of his Ordination. **It is therefore an abuse **to proffer it in such a way that **some parts of the Eucharistic Prayer **are recited by a Deacon, a lay minister, or by an individual member of the faithful, or by all members of the faithful together. The Eucharistic Prayer, then, is to be recited by the Priest alone in full.

[94.] It is not licit for the faithful “to take . . . by themselves . . . and, still less, to hand . . . from one to another” the sacred host …

[117.] Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms of tradition and of the liturgical books. The Bishops’ Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. It is strictly required, however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region, so that honour will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate…

Together with GIRM 162 already quoted, I believe that those quotes cover everything so far…

 

[benedictgal]

There is also some reference to this in the 1997 document issued by the Congregation for the Clergy regarding questions conerning collaborations of the non-ordained faithful in the Sacred ministry of the priest. The document, which also bears the signature of the former Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, notes that:

§ 1. The canonical discipline concerning extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion must be correctly applied so as to avoid generating confusion.

…To avoid creating confusion, certain practices are to be avoided and eliminated where such have emerged in particular Churches:

— extraordinary ministers receiving Holy Communion apart from the other faithful as though concelebrants;

This last statement is consistent with what the other respondents have observed. The EMHCs should not approach the altar until after the celebrant has communicated. Regarding the composition of sacred vessels, these must be made in accordance to the guidelines set forth in Redemptionis Sacramentum, as previously posted.