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Could anyone point me to a good Catholic article that discusses the respective faculties of the vegetative, animal and rational ‘souls’?
I answer that, Of actions done by man those alone are properly called “human,” which are proper to man as man. Now man differs from irrational animals in this, that he is master of his actions. Wherefore those actions alone are properly called human, of which man is master. Now man is master of his actions through his reason and will; whence, too, the free-will is defined as “the faculty and will of reason.” Therefore those actions are properly called human which proceed from a deliberate will. And if any other actions are found in man, they can be called actions “of a man,” but not properly “human” actions, since they are not proper to man as man. Now it is clear that whatever actions proceed from a power, are caused by that power in accordance with the nature of its object. But the object of the will is the end and the good. Therefore all human actions must be for an end.
I already knew thatdoes this help? st. 1-2, q.1, a.1 c.
Since a machine does not have a soul (the church’s position as it is not living), animals are more similar to man than to the computer.I already knew that. But thanks for your help.
Perhaps I should define something specific:
Humans and computers experience the world in different ways. We experiance the world around consciously, images of the world are ‘projected’ into our mind. Now it is clear that a computer is not concious in this way and does not ‘see’ anything or ‘hear’ anything consciously but merely responds to stimuli.
Which are animals most simmilar to, a human or a computer, what is the Church’s stance if any?
What do you mean by “type of conscienceness”?Is the type of conciousness we experience, when things such as images, sounds, pain etc are ‘projected’ into our mind a result of the soul or some material cause?
What I mean by projected into our mind is that we are aware that we are seeing, images appear ‘in front’ of our eyes. Does this occur in animals? Does the fact we see require some sort of awareness?images – from light waves entering your eye and being intrepted by your brain
sounds – from sound waves impinging on your ear drum and being interpreted by your brain
pain – from some trama that nerves signal to the brain.
In each of these cases, humans are very similar to animals.
What you mean by “‘projected’ into our mind”?
I don’t know a good article, but I can refer you to a great book - “Philosophical Phsychology” by D.Q.McInerny, a seminary philosophy professor for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. I ordered the book through the Priestly Fraternity.Could anyone point me to a good Catholic article that discusses the respective faculties of the vegetative, animal and rational ‘souls’?
Thanks! This is great I think I will buy the book.I don’t know a good article, but I can refer you to a great book - “Philosophical Phsychology” by D.Q.McInerny, a seminary philosophy professor for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. I ordered the book through the Priestly Fraternity.
Here is one simple listing of the differences between the faculties of the vegetative, animal and rational souls - (taken from that book). Quote:
*VEGETATIVE SOUL *
*Reproduction *
*Nutrition *
Growth
SENSITIVE LIFE
Reproduction
Nutrition
Growth
Locomotion
Sensation
Sense Appetites
RATIONAL LIFE
Reproduction
Nutrition
Growth
Locomotion
Sensation
Sense Appetites
Intellect
Will
It’s difficult to quit with just the above list, because it could lead one to false conclusions. So, a little bit of what follows in the book:
"…This being the case, it can be said that rational life, the highest form of life, embraces within itself all forms of life. … But mark well what we are not saying here. We are not saying that the human being has three souls, a rational soul and a sensitive soul and a vegetative soul. … Again, the principle involved is this: a soul of a higher grade…subsumes within its single soul the powers which are peculiar to the soul or souls graded below it."
"…the fact that ‘life’ is very much an analogical term. … There can be no mistaking the fact that between these two forms of life, vegetative and sensitive, we do not have merely differences in degree, but differences in kind. Plant life and animal life, in other words, are essentially different.
The transition from sensitive life to rational life, … is yet more dramatic than the transition from vegetative to sensitive life. As was noted earlier, once we are on the rational level we find ourselves in a whole new world of life. Everything is transformed, and the transforming factor is intellect…"(Underlining mine)
Nita
You won’t be sorry. The book is “understandable” for us beginners. I think it’s because the author is a teacher and wrote the book for his students (no doubt coming into seminary, green from high school), and not for PHD philosophers (who are already familiar with all the philosophical terms and concepts).Thanks! This is great I think I will buy the book.
You won’t be sorry. The book is “understandable” for us beginners. I think it’s because the author is a teacher and wrote the book for his students (no doubt coming into seminary, green from high school), and not for PHD philosophers (who are already familiar with all the philosophical terms and concepts).
I don’t know if you can get the book in an ordinary bookstore. My copy was printed in 1999 by The Alcuin Press, Elmhurst, Pennsylvania. If you can’t get it through a regular bookstore, write to:
Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter
Griffin Road, PO Box 196
Elmhurst, PA 18416
I receive monthly mailings from them, and about once a year they send a sheet with a few book offerings. That’s how I happened to learn about the book. Title almost scared me off!!! But then the little explanation gave a few blurbs as to some things that were in it – eg. “What is the soul”, “What are the emotions”. Those two hooked me and I ordered it. So, so glad. I had been struggling with Aquinas (what his philosophical terms meant). This book answered so many of those questions for me. D.Q. McInerny is a Thomistic philosopher.
[There is another philosopher with the last name of McInerny who also authors books. His books are for sale in the bookstores. Think his first name might be Frank. Just didn’t want you to think they were one and the same person.]
Nita
Found a website connection for the book:Thanks! This is great I think I will buy the book.
Thanks.Found a website connection for the book:
store.fraternitypublications.com/
(click on “Philosophy”)
Nita