Fatima Answer: Richardols

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In Mexico millions converted within a few years.

What specifically, are you referring to historically?

“By 1541, just ten years after the apparitions, there were ten million Indians who had been converted from paganism. Before Our Lady’s coming the missionaries were able to pour the saving waters upon the heads of only one million natives, and most of these were orphaned children, victims of war, whom the loving padres had adopted and educated. Such a mass conversion was an unprecedented phenomenon, the likes of which had never been witnessed in any country of the world.”

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In Portugal, the country reformed itself within a few years.

What, specifically, are you referring to historically?
"As a result of this (1931) Consecration Portugal experienced a three-fold miracle. Here, we will give only the barest details.
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   There was, first of all, a magnificent Catholic Renaissance, a great rebirth of Catholic life so striking that those who lived through it attributed it unquestionably to the work of God. During this period, Portugal enjoyed a drastic upsurge in priestly vocations. The number of religious almost quadrupled in 10 years. Religious communities rose likewise. There was a vast renewal of Christian life, which showed itself in many areas, including the development of a Catholic press, Catholic radio, pilgrimages, spiritual retreats, and a robust movement of Catholic Action that was integrated into the framework of diocesan and parish life. 

   This Catholic Renaissance was of such magnitude that in 1942 the bishops of Portugal declared in a Collective Pastoral Letter: “Anybody who would have closed his eyes twenty-five years ago and opened them now would no longer recognize Portugal, so vast is the transformation worked by the modest and invisible factor of the apparition of the Blessed Virgin at Fatima. Really, Our Lady wishes to save Portugal.”3 

   There was also a miracle of political and social reform, in accordance with Catholic social principles. Shortly after the 1931 Consecration, a Catholic leader in Portugal ascended to power, Antonio Salazar, who inaugurated a Catholic, counter-revolutionary program. He strove to create, as much as possible, a Catholic social order wherein the laws of government and social institutions harmonize with the law of Christ, His Gospel and His Church.4 A fierce adversary of socialism and liberalism, he was opposed to “everything which diminishes or dissolves the family.”5 

   President Salazar did not simply talk a good line; he enacted legislation to protect the family, including laws that frowned upon divorce. Article 24 read “In harmony with the essential properties of Catholic marriages: It is understood that by the very fact of the celebration of a canonical marriage, the spouses renounce the legal right to ask for a divorce.”6 The effect of this law was that Catholic marriages did not diminish in number, but increased. So that by 1960—a very critical year, as we shall see—nearly 91 percent of all marriages in the country were canonical marriages. 

   In addition to these astonishing religious and political changes, there was a twofold miracle of peace. Portugal was preserved from the Communist terror, especially from the Spanish Civil War which was raging next door. Portugal was also preserved from the devastations of World War II. "
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Mark
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
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trth_skr:
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In Mexico millions converted within a few years.

What specifically, are you referring to historically?

“By 1541, just ten years after the apparitions, there were ten million Indians who had been converted from paganism. Before Our Lady’s coming the missionaries were able to pour the saving waters upon the heads of only one million natives, and most of these were orphaned children, victims of war, whom the loving padres had adopted and educated. Such a mass conversion was an unprecedented phenomenon, the likes of which had never been witnessed in any country of the world.”
The thread was about the alleged appartitions at Fatima.
There was also a miracle of political and social reform, in accordance with Catholic social principles. Shortly after the 1931 Consecration, a Catholic leader in Portugal ascended to power, Antonio Salazar, who inaugurated a Catholic, counter-revolutionary program.
Salazar was no saint; he was a dictator who repressed dissent with the help of an active secret police. He wasn’t as bad as Franco, to his credit.
Portugal was also preserved from the devastations of World War II. "
Yes, Salazar adroitly followed a middle ground between the Allies and the Axis.

Thank you for the explanations.
 
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Richardols:
The thread was about the alleged appartitions at Fatima.
Alleged? I realize you are not required to believe them, but if any apparition has a high degree of certainty, it is this one (Fatima).

Also, the reference to Guadalupe regarded the fruits of the apparition, just a comparison (Russia after the 1984 consecration, Mexico after Guadalupe).
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Richardols:
Salazar was no saint; he was a dictator who repressed dissent with the help of an active secret police. He wasn’t as bad as Franco, to his credit.

Yes, Salazar adroitly followed a middle ground between the Allies and the Axis.

Thank you for the explanations.
In today’s libertine climate anyone who rules authoritatively will be attacked. I do not know what the truth of the matter is, but the fruits are the results (I am not saying the ends justify the means, btw). Salazar himself was probably not perfect.

Mark
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
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