Fatima NOT DOGMA

[blackrobe]

What could be put forth proving the actuality of Fatima? Would it be the witness of thousands testifying to having seen something which is not only physically impossible but impossible to even begin to massively imagine, or hallucinate to happen? Would it be the reports of non believers and anti Marian cynics reporting the same as devout Catholic Marian believers? Would it be the reported statement by a doctor, that the intensity of the heat needed to evaporate that volume of water in that short of a time duration (the event only lasted approx. 3mins.) would have also incinerated all the people standing there? Well, those are proofs positive, but what I think really does it is this… at a certain exact instance a woman in the crowd cried out:" Oh God please don’t let me die in my sins."

You seem to be missing the point. The issue is not about “proving” the authenticity and accuracy of the accounts of the events of Fatima. The Church has declared the essential elements worthy of belief. The point is that since Fatima is private revelation, no one can be required to believe it in order to be in full communion with the Church. In that respect Fatima has no different status from any other approved apparition.

AMDG
jsa

 

[jchristie5]

The Church is not a newspaper. The quotes given are recent, in the eyes of the Church. I would encourage anyone that doubts what was said to go to fatima.org and read what Fr. Gruner says himself. Ask yourself, does he write like a Roman Catholilc priest, or like a disgruntled conspiracist?

Agreed that the church is not a newspaper.
Newspaper articles of all kinds are just views of the laity - given this, the article/source quoted has a date of 2002 in reference to earlier church actions in the eighties and nineties and the Fatima.org views are current.
He “is” still a priest though - I am not and therefore defer to Pope Benedict XVI, our Church and the faithfull clergy.
I did not want to participate in “ping pong” though but I see our Blessed Pope has a new book released today titled - Light of the World: The Pope, the Church, and the Signs of the Times. I wonder if its on-line ?

God Bless

J

 

[brumano]

Blessed Mary prophecy made at Fatima in 1917:
“In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph”

Pope Benedict at Fatima in May, 2010:
“May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.”

God bless you.

Perhaps the detractors of Fatima need to do the explaining moreso than the promoters…doesn’t the Pope realize that the Melkites, Marionites and other Orientals don’t “make a big fuss” about Our Lady of Fatima?

 

[brumano]

You seem to be missing the point. The issue is not about “proving” the authenticity and accuracy of the accounts of the events of Fatima. The Church has declared the essential elements worthy of belief. The point is that since Fatima is private revelation, no one can be required to believe it in order to be in full communion with the Church. In that respect Fatima has no different status from any other approved apparition.

AMDG
jsa

The post I quoted as you must also have read, suggests Fatima could be regarded in similar considerations as UFO sightings, and as things of that type are examined…believe it or not I saw a NOVA documentary which attempted to do just that.
No, I really don’t feel as though I’ve missed the point; maybe we’ll just disagree about what that point is.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

This thread is closed. Posts are becoming argumentative. The points have been made by all parts and people are still arguing. Arguing is not allowed on TC Forum.