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mark_a
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I’m guessing this is some kind of spoof.
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jakasaki
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Political correctness will do all of us in - done - finish…!!
Our forefathers must be rolling in their grave with what has happened to this country they created…
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Oldtimer_7
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This issue actually came up several years ago in Egypt when some men complained about their wives working in an office with unrelated men. The decision by the Islamic court was that if the women suckled the men, then by Islamic tradition, they would be related. In many Islamic countries, if a woman suckled a child, a familial relationship was considered to exist, even if there was no blood relationship. I believe there was also a case in Saudi Arabia where a woman was beaten by the religious police even though she had nursed the man who was with her.
I take this as a warning against getting wrapped up in legalisms, regardless of which religion does it. I do wonder what those Egyptian men who complained did after the court decision. I just can’t see them saying, “Sure hon, go ahead. I will feel much better about you working in the office with Ahmed after you let him nurse.”
I take this as a warning against getting wrapped up in legalisms, regardless of which religion does it. I do wonder what those Egyptian men who complained did after the court decision. I just can’t see them saying, “Sure hon, go ahead. I will feel much better about you working in the office with Ahmed after you let him nurse.”
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Justin1982
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Makes me wonder how much is political correctness and how much is political convenience. Silence is consent, if they(EU) don’t agree with the Armenians then it is far easier to just let the radicals in Turkey take care of the problem for them.
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famdigy
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adult breast feeding is exclusive to Sunnis. Temporary marriage is exclusive to Shias only. You shouldn’t lump the two together and make the argument above.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen. This is just a way to circumvent the ridiculous law that unrelated men and women cannot interact. It is similar to how some Muslims approve of the “temporary marriages” (Mut’a) so that they can live together/have sex without permanent commitment. (And yet, ironically, they condemn the horrible naughty Westerners for cohabitation.)
Many Sunnis have difficulty accepting the adult breastfeeding is lawful even though its written in their books. On the other hand Sunni Islam doesn’t approve of Temporary Marriage either.
There is no such thing as adult breast feeding in Shia Islam but temporary marriage is allowed. Just for the record, temporary marriage is not a license to have sex without commitment
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Kadaveri
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This nonsense has only came up in the last few years from a few extremely ignorant official appointees of corrupt and incompetent states who make all sorts of crazy rulings which barely any Muslims pay attention to. It’s understood amongst serious people that the Islamic law treating a woman and a child she had suckled as if they were related even if no blood relation exists refers to babies only; the period of suckling in Islam exists up to the age of two.
And I’d advise people not to put trust in vulgar propagandists like Sam777 who consistently pick out only the most bizarre and extreme things from the Muslim world and present them as if they’re the norm.
And I’d advise people not to put trust in vulgar propagandists like Sam777 who consistently pick out only the most bizarre and extreme things from the Muslim world and present them as if they’re the norm.
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MOCatholic
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Can you provide us with your scholarly links and rationale for calling the rulings in the sahih Hadith that Sam posted “nonsense,” “bizzare,” and “extreme”? Specifically ones that deal with that hadith and provide reasons, beyond the author’s repulsion, why it should not be followed.
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famdigy
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Kadaveri,
I know how frustrating this must be, but the hadiths acknowledging adult-breastfeeding is written in Bukhari. I believe Sunnis put themselves in a corner by believing Sahih Bukhari to be the most authentic book after the Qur’an
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jakasaki
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It was Sahih Muslim, - but close enough - it’s authentic…
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Jay53
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It doesn’t matter to me which is Sunni and which is Shia - obviously I think both of them are wrong for the reasons I stated earlier. Both sects are creating reasons to excuse bad behavior and rationalize it. And they need to rationalize it because otherwise they have to admit that Muhammad was wrong about something (which will obviously never happen.)
I also understand that you may not believe that the temporary marriage is a license to have sex without commitment since, if I remember correctly, you and your wife had one before you made it permanent, but I would respectfully disagree - not all temporary marriages are as sincere as yours may have been.
To me, there is no difference between a “temporary marriage” where the couple lives as a married couple and then separates after a specified time period and a couple who cohabitates (without a legal marriage) and then separates.
Jesus clearly says that ‘what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.’ (paraphrase Mark 10:9). Unless you want me to believe that God has not joined the couple in the “temporary marriage” in which case they would have no business engaging in marital relations.
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swariffin
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Dear Brother Sam,
Long time I have not visited this forum. I am glad to read your posting again, just like I see you face-to-face. What you have posted is very shocking to me. Honestly speaking, I do not have much interest in digging further in both Quran and Hadits. Living in Muslim majority country, I do have exposure to Islamic teaching mainly from my Muslim friends. I admit that I do not quite like Islam, but it does not prevent me to like or even respect people who embrace Islam. I even have many books written by muslim scholars whom I respect so much. The link you provide us is truly shocking to me, because I really never know that it exists.
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swariffin
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Are you going to storm those clerics who made that kind of law?
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swariffin
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I can understand the frustration. But, you people believe that Quran is superior than Hadiths correct? It will be interesting if you can find something in Quran which override such kind of Hadiths.
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seraphime2008
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I sort of remember vaguely that Hadits are the source to find the legitimate 5 pillars of islam like praying 5 times, the Hajj pilgrimage, the 2.5% zakat, etc. Plus the example that you can find none from Koran instructing muslims to get permission from current previous wive/s for husband to marry another woman. My point is Muslim cannot get the context, nor the guidance of conduct without the Hadits, in that case there’s no such thing like consulting the Koran for the detailing matters of rules which they rely upon for everything (which is exactly the things that they brag about ) to make sure that they are right. …
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swariffin
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Well, I don’t know whether they can find a convincing counterargument from their Quran regarding this topic. But, I think we should give them a fair chance. Don’t you think so?
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