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Michael85
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Did this sort of dancing take place inside churches before the 1960s?
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pnewton
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Appeal to authority is legitimate in that authority is how the Church operates, and we are not dealing with any sort of truth here but what is worth having in a specific parish. That is an issue of authority.The bulk of this thread has been a series of appeals to authority, non-sequitur, and ad hominem.
Now appeal to Nazis is one that I do not get. You spoke of what the pagan Aztecs were, not what the Christian Aztecs were. If dance is their language of worship, it is no more unusually to use the same dance than it is to use the vernacular tongue, or to preach Christ as the unknown god from the Acropolis in Athens as St. Paul did.
Even in the last century native religious dance, that was used in pagan rituals, was re-purposed in Catholic parishes. A lot of stuff Catholics do looks and feels pagan-ish, and a lot has pagan roots. It is … tradition.
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pnewton
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I remember Fr. Arinze was asked this same question. There was no doubt from his answer that he was referring to a modern form of liturgical dance, a sort of ballet/jazz performance around the altar. He also specifically allowed for dance in Mass that is founded in the culture of the people, specifically in African. Of course. That is what he knew. I have no idea if he was even aware of this sort of dance from the native culture of Mexico. I would have loved a follow-up, but no one thought of it.
In any case, the principle was clear that dance as an innovation was not to happen in Mass, but cultural dance might be permitted.
In any case, the principle was clear that dance as an innovation was not to happen in Mass, but cultural dance might be permitted.
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poche
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Before the 1960s they had the danzantes and I think they danced outside the churches. These danzantes have been around since before the coming of the Spanish. This is an example of how the Church takes pagan symbols and baptizes them into Christian symbols.Did this sort of dancing take place inside churches before the 1960s?
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poche
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It would be hard to get more pagan and evil than the nazis. I pray for the conversion of all those who are caught up in the power of the evil one that they may escape.Appeal to authority is legitimate in that authority is how the Church operates, and we are not dealing with any sort of truth here but what is worth having in a specific parish. That is an issue of authority.
Now appeal to Nazis is one that I do not get. You spoke of what the pagan Aztecs were, not what the Christian Aztecs were. If dance is their language of worship, it is no more unusually to use the same dance than it is to use the vernacular tongue, or to preach Christ as the unknown god from the Acropolis in Athens as St. Paul did.
Even in the last century native religious dance, that was used in pagan rituals, was re-purposed in Catholic parishes. A lot of stuff Catholics do looks and feels pagan-ish, and a lot has pagan roots. It is … tradition.
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pnewton
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That’s an odd thought in the context of this thread on this particular Marian devotion. I do not think anyone is pro-Nazi here, or human sacrifice.I pray for the conversion of all those who are caught up in the power of the evil one that they may escape.
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