Female priests push Catholic boundaries

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I will never understand why these women want to be priests. Its as odd to me as a man wanting to be pregnant.
 
pilots13 said:
Probably cause they are trying to push change. They believe in the Church, other than their stance on females in the priesthood. Granted they are going about it all wrong, but I see that as what they are trying to do.

If you believe in transubstantiation and the Virgin Mary, etc, but not in male only priesthood, where do you go? You’re going to kick them out of the Church, and other forms of Christianity don’t believe in Mary (in the same way) etc. That’s why they stay and stir up problems like this.
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I wonder if they really believe in everything but the male priesthood. I doubt it.
 
pilots13 said:
Probably cause they are trying to push change. They believe in the Church, other than their stance on females in the priesthood. Granted they are going about it all wrong, but I see that as what they are trying to do.

If you believe in transubstantiation and the Virgin Mary, etc, but not in male only priesthood, where do you go? You’re going to kick them out of the Church, and other forms of Christianity don’t believe in Mary (in the same way) etc. That’s why they stay and stir up problems like this.
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I understand your line of reasoning, but I don’t think it’s on target. They ignore the Magisterium, which is not very Catholic. The fact that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ on Earth is one of the only stumbling blocks left beween the Catholic Church and some others, and these other churches also believe in Marian doctrine and transubstantiation.
And they’e not Catholic.
 
dochawk said:
Henry Davit Thoreau was jailed for refusal to pay his poll tax.

His writings on this basically deny that it was he rather than society that was imprisoned.

hawk
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That sounds about right, thanks for the bio.
 
Technically they are priest through apostolic succession.

I don’t believe women should be priest. But why not a deacon, right?
 
dorrbell said:
Technically they are priest through apostolic succession.

I don’t believe women should be priest. But why not a deacon, right?
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No they are not technically priests as regardless of apostolic succession it is ontologically impossible to ordain a women a priest. Much as it is impossible to square a circle. It just can’t happen.
 
Theophorus said:
No they are not technically priests as regardless of apostolic succession it is ontologically impossible to ordain a women a priest. Much as it is impossible to square a circle. It just can’t happen.
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I hear the analogies of Women being a Priest is the same as Men giving birth, or circles being squares. Well, the Men giving birth is a bad example cause that’s for physical reasons (men lack wombs) where was there is nothing physically keeping women from being priests. The circles being squares philosophically is a better analogy. But there is nothing physically stopping it (rather simply Church teaching)
 
pilots13 said:
I hear the analogies of Women being a Priest is the same as Men giving birth, or circles being squares. Well, the Men giving birth is a bad example cause that’s for physical reasons (men lack wombs) where was there is nothing physically keeping women from being priests. The circles being squares philosophically is a better analogy. But there is nothing physically stopping it (rather simply Church teaching)
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And Church teaching is doctrine, which we are bound to uphold and believe. It’s okay to question it to learn, but it must be accepted.
 
pilots13 said:
I hear the analogies of Women being a Priest is the same as Men giving birth, or circles being squares. Well, the Men giving birth is a bad example cause that’s for physical reasons (men lack wombs) where was there is nothing physically keeping women from being priests. The circles being squares philosophically is a better analogy. But there is nothing physically stopping it (rather simply Church teaching)
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It is both a physical and doctrinal issue.

First, the physical. The sacrament of Holy Orders, just like the Sacrament of Holy Communion requires valid matter for it to be performed. Just as a glazed donut and a glass of milk cannot be transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ, a female cannot receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. It is a physical issue. Since she was not created a man, the sacrament cannot be performed.

Second, the doctrinal. As has already been pointed out, the Church has stated that she lacks authority to overturn what Christ Himself instituted. This has been declared to be part of the infallibly defined deposit of faith.
 
Theophorus said:
No they are not technically priests as regardless of apostolic succession it is ontologically impossible to ordain a women a priest. Much as it is impossible to square a circle. It just can’t happen.
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Anything can happen. Besides they arent Roman Catholics, they are an Independent Order that has nothing to do the the RCC.
 
Doctrine is nothing but man made rules. God did not come down and say Hey this is what you are to believe and do.
 
dorrbell said:
Anything can happen. Besides they arent Roman Catholics, they are an Independent Order that has nothing to do the the RCC.
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No. They are claiming to be Catholics in the Roman Rite and they are claiming legitimate apostolic succession in the Roman Rite.
 
dorrbell said:
Doctrine is nothing but man made rules. God did not come down and say Hey this is what you are to believe and do.
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Would you care to share your reasoning behind why you say this? These unfounded attitudes are the reason we’re in this predicament today.
 
I have to say that i personally set questions to anyone claiming to be catholic when going openly against the doctrine and church teachings.

My cousin which is a catholic and converted the same day as me, he is pro choice and also oposes the church teachings, want female priests and think sex outside the marriage is OK (just to bring up some examples).

That this is protestantic attitude, he refuses to accept and claims that this boundaries are wrong, mental etc.

Good grief…i pray for him and those that pushes for female priests. As they clearly do not care about the church teachings. On days like this, i feel like being an orthodox. I mean that in a good way and in a true way too.
 
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Dressed in a priestly white robe and green stole, Monique Venne lifted communion bread before an altar – defying centuries of Catholic Church law.

Despite promises of excommunication from the Vatican, she and six other women in Minnesota say they are legitimate, ordained Catholic priests, fit to celebrate the mass. They trace their status through a line of ordained women bishops back to anonymous male bishops in Europe.

startribune.com/local/minneapolis/135386288.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue
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hehe…this is like a mad libs!

"Dressed in a rugged burlap stick and twine hub-cap, Monique Venne lifted bubble gum before a(n) shopping cart – sneezing centuries of copper brush.

Despite promises of ice cream from the Vatican, she and six other women in Minnesota say they are full, numbed shorn primates, fit to celebrate the truck. They jig their status through a tetrahedron of googled women pepsis back to blustery male oshkosh b’gosh in Europe"

– Nicole
 
dorrbell said:
Anything can happen. Besides they arent Roman Catholics, they are an Independent Order that has nothing to do the the RCC.
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You’re right of course, in attempting ordination they have excommunicated themselves and in cutting themselves off from the Church they are no longer Catholics(in a certain limited sense). That however doesn’t change the fact that they are not (and cannot be) priests.
 
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