Feminine Dress/Behavior

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I’d say – you promote an outlook – that creates conflict between men and women. There is nothing wrong with a women vets and the OP’s manner of dress – yet you jump into this thread to create discord.
Yes, nothing wrong with women vets or women engineers either. There seems to a prevailing sentiment around here that if a woman in not a wife or a nun then she must be in sin. I will talk to my spiritual director to get this cleared up.
 
Try not to derail please.
Remember your own words, O Off-Topic One, and stop posting about relations between men and women from the 1950s in your wonderbroad idyllic community when the OP is wondering about the moral permissibility of women wearing pants etc. now.
The topic is feminine dress/behavior, not world history.
The topic is far more narrow than that. Furthermore, if you make an appeal to a historical time period and history generally, you are not allowed to censure other posters for pointing out your historical inaccuracies.
I think most people should become more acquainted with the last 40 years to understand the current problem. Instead, I’m getting dodges about thousands of years and the 1920s.
The “current problem” you mentioned is irrelevant to the OP.
This source is very clearly not in line with the Magisterium.

The rest of your post was totally irrelevant to the OP. You still have not actually made any attempt to answer the OP’s question. Why is that?
 
As for “romance”, I’d probably fall far more for a good Catholic guy who could replace cattle prolapses and yet be gentle enough to deliver lambs…I always say that if he’d wrap the lambs in his coat before bringing them into the house, with himself in short sleeves when it’s 2 degrees outside, I’d know he was a great pick! 👍
…and he would already be married. Oh well. :D:D:D

I also work outdoors with animals (mainly horses) and lawns. It is possible to look reasonably cute as well as modest at work without sacrificing usefulness and durability. Loose-fitting women’s jeans, a longish T-shirt or ladies’ Western shirt (I’ve found some nice ones by Dickies - not on their official website, but on eBay), and a bandana can look very feminine. Sturdy leather work shoes/boots come in ladylike styles. You mentioned that you have a ponytail; that’s a bonus! I’m trying to grow mine back after hacking it all off earlier this year. (Very rarely, someone mistakes me for a man, but this is usually because they weren’t really looking.)
I try to wear a skirt and some form of headcovering to church - this also does not need to be excessively ‘pretty’. Sometimes it is just a denim skirt with a bandana or knit hat. (And a shirt. I always wear some kind of shirt to church. :D)
Also, I don’t remember the last time I tried to wear makeup (and probably wiped it off before I left the house :p). Without trying to condemn other women who really enjoy applying makeup, to me it can very easily seem clownish, though I’ve seen techniques for a ‘natural’ look that are lovely. Don’t worry about your appearance; if you are as clean and healthy as can be expected, your face is probably just fine, and confidence is very attractive. I see femininity as being more about modesty, simplicity and honesty than “prettiness”.
 
Holy Cannoli! Here we go again!

The question has been answered and the fact remains that the Vatican has NO PROBLEM with women wearing pants (talk about a dead horse that’s been resurrected, beaten again, and magically brought back to life by the Sola Skirtura crowd…).

Time to close the thread, the question has been answered and it’s being derailed into another modesty thread (talk about a dead, resurrected horse!!!).
 
Holy Cannoli! Here we go again!

The question has been answered and the fact remains that the Vatican has NO PROBLEM with women wearing pants (talk about a dead horse that’s been resurrected, beaten again, and magically brought back to life by the Sola Skirtura crowd…).

Time to close the thread, the question has been answered and it’s being derailed into another modesty thread (talk about a dead, resurrected horse!!!).
I think this is much more than women wearing pants. This is about women who are also in non-traditional fields of work and do not fit the stereotypical notion of femininity. Either looks-obsessed or in the Christian world (both Protestant and Catholic) a traditional homeschooling, head covering wearing, jumper wearing,stay-at-home wife and mother of 10. I am not bashing those who do fit that description but there seems to be an expectation that all women are supposed to fit that. I have encountered that in the Evangelical world and I seem to be encountering that here as well.
 
Greetings!

I am a young college student and I was wondering about something that actually hasn’t really bothered me…but I guess what I am wondering if my position is reasonable?

I have never been really into feminine anything. I could care less about my nails (which are actually super short…I bite them…:o) and my hair is always only in a very simple ponytail. I wear very modest dresses or skirts and a veil to Mass. I will not wear dresses/skirts otherwise, except for very formal things like job interviews and awards receptions. Never wore makeup.

Outside of church, I wear modest, full-cut women’s jeans and again, very modest shirts, like polos, etc. I wear steel-toed leather ankle-high livestock-work boots normally…or rubber chore boots if I am mucking…🙂

Never ever did tea parties or played with dolls. I actually don’t like the color pink. Not really a flowery person either.

The thing is, even if I loved these things, they’d be very impractical for my position in life. I am a prevet student and work with livestock and large animal vets regularly. I have always felt a calling to be a livestock vet and I deeply enjoy every minute of it (even when it isn’t so pleasant). This is some of what I do or help with- there is absolutely no way anything but pants would work: [warning a bit graphic] palpating cows (involves sticking your whole arm into the cow’s rectum to feel for her uterus and ovaries below, in order to determine pregnancy and sometimes stages in estrus), surgically castrating bulls and lambs, doing lameness exams on horses, artifically inseminating sheep, going inside a ewe or cow or mare in labor to reposition a dystocia baby so it can be delivered safely, replacing vaginal and uterine prolapses, etc. All very messy, potentially dangerous work, and more often than not, you are holding an animal’s head or leg in between your legs (ever watched a farrier work on horses?).

Not to mention, most of the vets I am working with are guys, and so are many of the farmers. They are wonderful and very respectful. I act ladylike but certainly tough enough to do what needs to be done, and I can easily establish rapport and respect.

Is it wrong to questionable to feel no desire whatsoever for feminine this and that? Don’t get me wrong- I am glad to be female, and I personally think it is very possible to be a true Catholic lady and imitate our Lady- and still wear Carrhart’s and wrestle cattle (kindly, of course).

Or am I getting it all wrong?

Pax et bonum.
I don’t see anything wrong with it. As a male I sometimes see the whole feminine make up, jewelry, nails, hair thing a bit silly. 🤷 :cool: I don’t mind style but I am very practical and don’t mind females who are the same way.
 
I personally think the OP sounds delightful and well-balanced!

I wish that cable television would yank the silly shows about rich families and Hollywood housewives and instead, do a show about a female vet like the OP! I would consider getting cable to watch that!
 
Try not to derail please. The topic is feminine dress/behavior, not world history. I think most people should become more acquainted with the last 40 years to understand the current problem. Instead, I’m getting dodges about thousands of years and the 1920s.

I’d say – you promote an outlook – that creates conflict between men and women. There is nothing wrong with a women vets and the OP’s manner of dress – yet you jump into this thread to create discord.
Remember your own words, O Off-Topic One, and stop posting about relations between men and women from the 1950s in your wonderbroad idyllic community when the OP is wondering about the moral permissibility of women wearing pants etc. now.
Come on guys, all three of you need to take a step back. This question by the OP is not merely about morality. There are number of decisions we can make in our lives that are morally neutral. These morally neutral decisions put us in situations that are sometimes more stressful and could lead us to sin.

I think the OP needs to be informed about these practical issues she will face depending on her life choice i.e. celibacy or marriage. The Church today, including the lay persons tend to miss the point by simply making it an issue about morality. So the advice given is really of not much value.

I suggest that all you simply present the practical issues faced (or lack thereof) in trying to pursue a certain life choice (celibacy or marriage) under these conditions. It will also help if none of you simply try to give anecdotal evidence (i.e. I know so and so who did that but it didn’t work out etc). Try to be reasonable and provide the reasonable info.

The OP I am sure is smart enough (she is studying to be a Vet) to evaluate the evidence.

Seeing this sort of clashing between people with the tag “catholic” on an issue such as this just shows how bad our thinking has become in the past 50 years. Not every action is about whether it is moral or immoral.

Some actions simply make our life horrible/miserable/confusing/harder/prone to sin. To avoid such bad decisions, one needs to consider more issues than just “is it moral?”.
 
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