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jp2fan
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IsaacSheen
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You know what I decided today? I decided after this post I’m not going to post on this topic for awhile. I will read responses though.
I’m not a feminist, I’m sorry. I have respect for all people everywhere. I pray for mercy even for people who do horrible things. I believe in faith, hope and love.
I treat everyone the same regardless of their sex, and no, that doesn’t make me a feminist. Truth of the matter is, would you defend your faith as adamant as you defend feminism?? Would most feminists defend their faith as adamant as they defend feminism?
I’m not accusing you of anything. I’m seriously asking that question because the feminists in my group of friends (I love them to death, they are great people) talk about feminism and they’d defend it regardless of whether they are right or wrong. Many times though, when their faith is brought up, they keep quiet, afraid to answer the same questions people ask about feminism.
And, if they aren’t afraid, then they don’t know. And if it is neither of those, then maybe they are afraid of offending someone. Then why does feminism get the luxury of their time, knowledge, efforts, courage and lack of worry over offending someone.
It seems as though maybe, just maybe, this movement has become a false god.
Regardless of that point, is feminism more important than masculinism??
I’m also curious as to where you got the following:
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elizabeth4truth
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Thank you, good support. What about my other questions?
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elizabeth4truth
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Dear Isaac,
We are heading out the door and I need to go, will try and answer all your questions later. As for this one, all I can say is I defend what I believe is right and just. If the case is my faith, I defend my faith. If it is to speak against abortion and for the healing of all who suffer from it evils, I defend that. If it is to try and help others see that men and women need to be treated equal, with regards to dignity of their beings and souls, I try to do that. I’m not for women being priests or anything else that seems wrong, if it seems wrong. I don’t want to say “never” to anything that God may will and leave that to His Holy Spirit working through the Holy See.
I guess I stand for the underdog in many cases, when I see injustice being done. There is a strong case for good feminism because men have had authority over women but have not had right judgement, in many cases.
I don’t know about other “feminist” defense of their faith. I don’t run with a crowd that declares themself as such.
I try not to live the “status quo” and be in the “in crowd” because it is appears false and vain, to me.
Just trying to get through each day and be pleasing to God by seeking truth and justice.
Peace,
Elizabeth
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IsaacSheen
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Great I agree with you on standing up for what is right. Now tell me, what injustice is still going on in the Church that reform through feminism needs to be done?
Why do we have to have feminism? Why can’t we just have Catholicism? Isn’t Catholicism the more complete and true way to make things right? Christ through his Church ya know?
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carol marie:
Women should be allowed to work if they want. I agree children need involved parenting but women can certainly work and do that or a dad can stay at home. Its not fair to expect a woman to stay at home to be a wife and cook all the meals. I agree its best for a mom to stay home with her children but I dont see it as abandonment if she also wants a career. Women should be able to get a divorce if their marriage honestly isnt working. Why should they be dependent on a man their whole life if theyre not happy? I agree people get divorces too easily these days but its not just a womans fault. And infidelity is wrong but I see that as not a product of feminism as it is changing values (I mean come on men are involved in it too.)
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siamesecat
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I agree my moms a stay at home mom and sometimes people infer that she’s lazy. my mom will insult their moms for working too much. Either job is hard and it doesnt mean either is a bad mother. Its really sad people still feel this way.
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Curious
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Absolutely. Our callings are different, among women, among men, among all of us.
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Asella
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This website is not Catholic, but has some good articles from time to time regarding feminism. www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com
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jp2fan
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No, no, no. God did not do this. Adam and Eve did this through their sin. God never wills the result of our sin, we do by breaking away from him. If this were God’s doing, then why would we want feminism to do away with it? But since it is a result of sin, we must work, through the Holy Spirit, to reverse it and bring it back to God’s original plan.
IsaacSheen, as to your question about where it is in the Catechism, it isn’t. But, it is in the writings of such fathers as Sts. Augustine and Aquinas.
“The woman together with the man is the image of God, so that the whole substance is one image. But when she is assigned as a helpmate, which pertains to her alone, she is not the image of God: however, in what pertains to man alone, is the image of God just as fully and completely as he is joined with the woman into one (De Trinitate, 12, 7, 10)”
“A female is deficient and unintentionally caused. For the active power of the semen always seeks to produce a thing completely like itself, something male. So if a female is produced, this must be because the semen is weak or because the material [provided by the mother] is unsuitable, or because of the action of some external factor such as the winds from the south which make the atmosphere humid” (St. Th. I, q. 92, 1, 1)."
Now, please understand, I am as orthodox as they come. That is why I must be a feminist! Our Church has called us to be, because of these errors in her history. I love Augustine and Aquinas, and we can’t judge them by what they did not yet know, but these are blemishes on our history, as we now know. This is why feminism is needed even in the Church.
Believe me, much more so! Our faith is what I live and breathe. And going to a liberal Catholic school, believe me, I have to defend our faith MUCH more than I have to defend feminism. But, I think they go hand in hand. As someone else pointed out, I would defend anything that is good and true, be it women’s equality, or the all-male priesthood.
"Mary — so gloriously referred to in the Apocalypse — is the model of women. It is by turning to her, praying to her and contemplating her virtues that women will find their way back to the beauty and dignity of their mission. " -Alice von Hildebrand
“As the masterpiece of the new creation, Mary is a model for women of all states of life and time.” -Sr. M. Danielle Peters
“Holy women are an incarnation of the feminine ideal; they are also a model for all Christians, a model of the “*sequela Christi”, *an example of how the Bride must respond with love to the love of the Bridegroom.” -Pope John Paul II, Mulieris Dignitatem
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You get the idea…
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sorry so long
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elizabeth4truth
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Dear Isaac,
Not sure if there are injustices going on in our Church. My sister is getting her Masters in Divinity, at a Catholic University. When she graduates with her class, the men will go on to be priests and she really doesn’t have an occupation to turn to with the knowledge she has gained. I’m not certain if this is an injustice but maybe there is room in the Church, for marriage councelors or something women can do to help evangelize others? I don’t really know.
I believe feminism is the natural course in seeking justice. Men ruled over women from Adam to Jesus. Jesus emancipated women and she is trying to find herself, equal to man, in God’s eyes. That’s just how I see history shaping the way for feminism.
Why can’t we just have Catholisism? We are part of a bigger world then the Catholic Church. There are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Budists (sp), athiests and more. Not every man or woman out there has the gift of faith we have. Many suffer in the belief that women are less important, inferior, even created just to serve men.
Jesus Christ is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT and through Him we find life. I truly believe He began the feminist movement by treating women so well. Something that didn’t seem to be happening up until Him.
Peace,
Elizabeth
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elizabeth4truth
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Dear jp2fan,
Genesis 3:16, “Then God said to the woman, ‘You shall bear children in intense pain and suffering; yet even so, you shall welcome your husband’s affections, and he shall be your master.’”
I agree Adam and Eve did this to themselves, in their sin. I’m thinking God gave them exactly what they asked for. Eve asked God to make Adam her master, while Adam asked God to make Eve his servant or object. I’m thinking Adam wanted to be like God and have a subject to rule over and Eve agreed to let Adam be her lord and that’s how they got in the mess in the first place.
Man and woman lived this way for thousands of years before Jesus came to set us straight. When Jesus came to repair the rift between God and mankind, He also mended the division between men and women. It’s been 2000+ years and we are still working on figuring out the details and that is why we have feminism.
Gotta go get some rest.
Peace to you,
Elizabeth
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jp2fan
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Elizabeth, we are in agreement there.
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IsaacSheen
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I guess I wasn’t clear in my post. But, since I wasn’t, I’m glad you put those up for people to see, as well as myself.
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