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JackVk
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No, I heard about that myself. Keep worrying about the education system.
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ThomasToo
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Well curses…
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centurionguard
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Actually: I found the article excellent. Why did you find the article sexist?
Could you please go into a discourse explaining what was so sexist about the five reasons that same-sex marriage wouldn’t be harmful to children?
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JaneGrey
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I agree completely.
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JaneGrey
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I expected a more reasoned article. I ve read posts on this very site which make better cases against homosexuality.
A few of the many issues I have with the article:
a.) Can someone explain to me the supposed ‘conditional-leaning’ love of a father that the author mentions?
b.) What is the evidence that infants do better with female parents? What if the parents are a validly married opposite sex Catholic couple but the father is a stay at home parent or simply the primary caregiver? What if the mother is for whatever reason, not biologically related to the child in question and so lacks the so called biological link mothers who carried their children for 9 months have?
Before anyone mentions it, I strongly disagree that women by nature are better with babies and young children.
c.) After a point in the article the author goes on to list ways that fathers do certain things better i.e are better at reprimanding etc. This is news to me. News I find particularly difficult to believe with the amount of intimidating women in my family alone.Maybe the author’s mother had trouble ‘‘restraining’’ her?
d) Finally, it simply appears to me that the author has made a case not against parenting by homosexuals, but against parenting where children have little or no contact with the opposite sex. Most people do not live under a rock however. I was raised by a single mother but had plenty of male role models whether through uncles, cousins, family friends or teachers.
A few of the many issues I have with the article:
a.) Can someone explain to me the supposed ‘conditional-leaning’ love of a father that the author mentions?
b.) What is the evidence that infants do better with female parents? What if the parents are a validly married opposite sex Catholic couple but the father is a stay at home parent or simply the primary caregiver? What if the mother is for whatever reason, not biologically related to the child in question and so lacks the so called biological link mothers who carried their children for 9 months have?
Before anyone mentions it, I strongly disagree that women by nature are better with babies and young children.
c.) After a point in the article the author goes on to list ways that fathers do certain things better i.e are better at reprimanding etc. This is news to me. News I find particularly difficult to believe with the amount of intimidating women in my family alone.Maybe the author’s mother had trouble ‘‘restraining’’ her?
d) Finally, it simply appears to me that the author has made a case not against parenting by homosexuals, but against parenting where children have little or no contact with the opposite sex. Most people do not live under a rock however. I was raised by a single mother but had plenty of male role models whether through uncles, cousins, family friends or teachers.
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Corki
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If that were the only reason we had laws about anything, we would live in an even more licentous society than we do now!
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musikat
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Call me crazy, or a bad catholic, but having been raised by a single parent, I TRULY believe that it would be better to have two mothers or two fathers than a single parent, because there something that hasn’t been considered by the article, and that is the effect of single parent child raising. No one person can say from experience that heterosexual couples are better than homosexual couples are better than single parents, but i can say from the depths of my heart that I believe single parents to be at the bottom of the ladder, however christian they attempt to be. If you take a completely secular point of view, you must take into consideration that two parents invariably allow the child to develop according to two different personalities and roles. ESPECIALLY in a secular relationship. My mother ( a single parent) is atheist, and i think that it was more damaging to me spiritually to have only one person in my life, with whom i could not relate to at all, than it would have been for me to have two mothers or fathers.
At the end of the article they mentioned that it would be in the best interest of children not to allow homosexual couples to parent them. I’m going to make an educated guess and say that they mean adoption, because biologically, it just isn’t going to happen otherwise. On the subject of homosexual adoption, I would also have to say that a child being adopted by a gay couple is hardly the worst thing that can happen to a child. I have several friends in foster care who have had 9 or more “mothers” and “fathers,” and i think that it would be better for a child if they had 1 set of parents, heterosexual or otherwise, rather than being thrown from family to family for 18 years. Despite what we would like to believe, alot of foster parents are in the business for the money, and could not care less about the health and physical and spiritual well being of the child.
And as for the argument of having two mothers and four fathers, my best friend is the product of a mixed marriage. she has no whole siblings, 4 step sibling and 2 half siblings. only one couple pairing parented more than one child. Heterosexual divorce can cause just as many problems as homosexual divorce.
At the end of the article they mentioned that it would be in the best interest of children not to allow homosexual couples to parent them. I’m going to make an educated guess and say that they mean adoption, because biologically, it just isn’t going to happen otherwise. On the subject of homosexual adoption, I would also have to say that a child being adopted by a gay couple is hardly the worst thing that can happen to a child. I have several friends in foster care who have had 9 or more “mothers” and “fathers,” and i think that it would be better for a child if they had 1 set of parents, heterosexual or otherwise, rather than being thrown from family to family for 18 years. Despite what we would like to believe, alot of foster parents are in the business for the money, and could not care less about the health and physical and spiritual well being of the child.
And as for the argument of having two mothers and four fathers, my best friend is the product of a mixed marriage. she has no whole siblings, 4 step sibling and 2 half siblings. only one couple pairing parented more than one child. Heterosexual divorce can cause just as many problems as homosexual divorce.
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musikat
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I would like to see the data on heterosexual couples. There is no baseline with which to compare this data without that. Then i would like you to consider the effects of laws prohibiting marriage amongst these people and also consider the possible social and emotional ramifications of such on the GLBT community.
I am a relatively new convert to the catholic faith. I have not started RCIA yet, but as a bisexual, have sought religious guidance through the church and prayer. I have been told by the church and believe in my heart that the sin is NOT in the orientation with which I identify, but with the ACT of premarital sex and sexual relations. My decision to remain chaste and not act upon unholy impulses and urges to engage in sexual contact with ANYONE (male or female) will bring me closer to Christ. It is my understanding in my mind and heart that a chaste bisexual such as myself is no more unholy that a chaste heterosexual.
If anyone cares to enlighten me beyond my potentially naive interpretation, please do so.
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ThomasToo
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My point was only in response to the argument that if gays were allowed to marry they would not teach their children about the Church or about God which is clearly faulty.
I think your interpretation–at least regarding extending the legal protections of civil marriage to homosexuals–is hardly naive. To speak to your intended chastity is not my place at least not in a public venue such as this one.
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musikat
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Without intentionally being argumentative, I would like to point out that I don’t believe anyone here has said that “therefore no non-Christian should be allowed to adopt simply because they will not teach the children about the Church or about God.” I have two friends who have served as mentors to me. they are in their late thirties, and are lesbians. they were married during the brief time in CA when gay marriage was legal, and adopted a child. Despite being lesbians, they have taught their daughter that God is the way and I’m pretty sure that this little 5 year old knows more about the Church and Him than I do. I’m not even going to try to say that all homosexual couples would do this, but I don’t see why anyone would logically assume that homosexuals cannot teach their children about God despite their sin when most of the christian parents I know partake in some sin, whether it be lying, or over indulgence of alcohol, or something else. Nobody is without sin on this earth. It doesn’t seem right to me to say that just because they are sinning that they do not believe and will not teach their children about God.
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ThomasToo
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I agree with you but some people don’t seem to get this as evidenced by this quote from early in the thread.
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