Foot Washing Question

[benedictgal]

Basic school Latin (I had it in grade school and then again in high school) will give you a framework and with the interent you can look up words to know their exact meaning.

That, or go to trusted resources who have the answers! Like, Catholic Answers (www.catholic.com) or EWTN (www.ewtn.com)

There is also Adoremus, which has an impressive online library of the authoritative documents of the Holy See.

 

[wisdomseeker]

**Quote:
Originally Posted by Orogeny
The dioscean web site references, in fact uses the actual text, from the USCCB in allowing for women to be included in the foot washing.

archgh.org/Worship/faqs.htm

Here are some photos from the Holy Thursday Mass showing the Cardinal washing the feet of parishioners. Please note the gender of the person the Cardinal is serving.

tweetphoto.com/16733901

Peace

Tim **

Was Jesus not charitable enough? did Jesus wash the feet of women with the Apostles? can we be more charitable than Jesus? by washing the feet of women also?
where has our Faith gone? have we become so blind as to become acceptable to the point that everything goes? there is no more limit to what we can achieve, even if it is in the House of God? nobody seems to care about what God wants, it is all about what we want. forgive me for saying this but just by reading posts in this forum, it is pretty scary, the language, the language of many here, as if there is no God.

 

[JTJohnson]

So they admit it is different from the rubric:

While this variation may differ from the rubric of the Sacramentary which mentions only men

So what happened to obedience?

This is a very good link:

adoremus.org/97-03_pokorsky.htm

The faithful have a right to a true Liturgy, which means the Liturgy desired and laid down by the Church. Pope John Paul II

 

[wisdomseeker]

The official language of the Roman Rite is Latin all official documents from Rome are published in Latin. That is where someone must go for the official version of the document. The language of the Church is very specific and precise in it’s official documents. One must learn this language so as to not misinterpret a document. Sometimes English language translations can be misleading.

I would say. most the times the translation seems to me to give a total different meaning when i read in my own language witch is derived from the Latin.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I’m an old lady and don’t have years to learn to and study things like this. I’m not so sure, with my brain disorder, I could learn a new language well enough to read through these documents anyway.

Surely there is an English version translated from the Latin with accuracy??? Surely the Church knows not everyone speaks Latin?

If not, then perhaps instead of arguing over it, we need to begin a campaign to get the Church to accurately translate it. I fully understand that some words have no English equivalence, however, if it takes a paragraph to explain it, surely the Church can specify what the word “men” means (ie: ‘male’ or ‘all followers’).

Dear friends, this is all truly discouraging for someone new in the faith who doesn’t have years to learn. It seems like in almost every thread, no two people agree on what the church’s position is on anything. If that’s the case, then how is a new member to become grounded in truth and learn to truly be Catholic? I find myself in tears out of frustration in trying to get answers to some of my most basic questions without one saying ‘it’s this way’ and another saying, ‘No! It’s this way’. If Catholics can’t agree on the simplest things, what hope is there for The Church when times come that challenge our faith even more?

Plus, it’s so heartbreaking that rather than respectfully debating these issues or finding out the correct answers, everyone starts arguing about it and insulting each other and thread gets locked so no more questions can even be asked; or very valid points listed.

First thing is that we need to separate out the fact that there is NO confusion between Catholics about what the Church teaches. This is clearly set out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, officially published in Latin and then carefully translated into other languages. Some other teaching documents are written by various Vatican offices including the Pope and can vary in application and authority, depending on who writes them. But the will NEVER contradict the Catechism. Usually the explain Faith and Morals.

Most if not all the agreuments are about Catholic Practices or Disciplines, which are found in various Church Documents of different authority. Many legislative documents are published by various offices and occasionally by the Pope. These are also officially published in Latin and then usually translated. The quality of the translation can sometimes vary. Most Catholics do not need to concern themselves with the Disciplinary documents.

 

[benedictgal]

First thing is that we need to separate out the fact that there is NO confusion between Catholics about what the Church teaches. This is clearly set out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, officially published in Latin and then carefully translated into other languages. Some other teaching documents are written by various Vatican offices including the Pope and can vary in application and authority, depending on who writes them. But the will NEVER contradict the Catechism. Usually the explain Faith and Morals.

Most if not all the agreuments are about Catholic Practices or Disciplines, which are found in various Church Documents of different authority. Many legislative documents are published by various offices and occasionally by the Pope. These are also officially published in Latin and then usually translated. The quality of the translation can sometimes vary. Most Catholics do not need to concern themselves with the Disciplinary documents.

To augment what you said, the Catechism was never meant to be a catch-all document. It is a teaching document, which contains the Truths and Essence of the Church’s doctrine and dogmas, but, it is not a legislative nor a regulatory document.

The documents that concern the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the other liturgies of the Church are the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, the Roman Missal, itself, Redemptionis Sacramentum, Musicam Sacram and Paschale Sollemnitatis. This last one is the instruction for what should and should not be happening during Holy Week.

 

[gsmisek]

You can find Paschale Solemnitas in Latin itself on vatican.va, under resources, click “Official Acts” then Acta Apostolicae Sedis.

Kage_ar, I have been looking through the Acta Apostolica Sedis and I cannot find it. My eyes are getting bleary. Where is it?

The 1988 circular letter is not in the Acta, and you won’t find any Latin document that begins “Paschale solemnitatis.” You will, however, find the Latin text of Paschalis sollemnitatis in the CDW’s official journal, Notitiae 24 (1988) pp. 81-107 (unfortunately it’s not online). The Latin begins thus:

“Paschalis sollemnitatis et totius Hebdomadae sanctae Ordo, a Pio XII primum instauratus inde ab annis 1951 et 1955, communiter ab omnibus Ritus Romani Ecclesiis cum gaudio receptus est.”

 

[benedictgal]

The 1988 circular letter is not in the Acta, and you won’t find any Latin document that begins “Paschale solemnitatis.” You will, however, find the Latin text of Paschalis sollemnitatis in the CDW’s official journal, Notitiae 24 (1988) pp. 81-107 (unfortunately it’s not online). The Latin begins thus:

“Paschalis sollemnitatis et totius Hebdomadae sanctae Ordo, a Pio XII primum instauratus inde ab annis 1951 et 1955, communiter ab omnibus Ritus Romani Ecclesiis cum gaudio receptus est.”

Since, from what I am reading, you have access to this, would you mind posting the relevent citations from PS in Latin?

That would really help. Thank you so much.